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    source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...971411,00.html

    In the magazine version of this Spotlight, Time Magazine shows a map of the USA and says that most states allow open carry due to their lack of regulation.

    We all know this is bogus and I urge people to write Time and tell them that they need to check their facts again about which states really allow open carry.



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    Well then, Most states do have open carry, Which part of that is bogus?

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    The part that is bogus is that Time is saying that my state, Oklahoma, is included in the allows open carry list due to lack of regulation.

    This is untrue though. We are not entitled to open carry here in Oklahoma.

    Looking at the map that Time provides versus the map on this site and the laws in other states, it would seem that Time is wrong.

    The reason I bring this up is that it is almost a push against open carry by making it seem "not so important" to pass protection laws.

    Example: Joe Reader sees that in Oklahoma there are no regulations written in law to protect gun owners and to allow open carry, but that it isnt "prohibited", so they think that when we try to get our rights protected (which is ironic in my mind to begin with), that it isnt a big deal to Joe Reader because he thinks that since there is no regulation that its not worth fighting for.

    In turn, less support for any protection bill is had, since Joe thinks its already okay to open carry. Less support = less chance for a protection law.

    NOW, on to the irony of protecting our rights.

    Why are we having to protect a right that we have from the US Constitution to begin with? THAT is a whole other subject that I cant think about without being utterly disappointed with where our great country has started to crack....

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    What is not prohibited abides the law.

    Perhaps your citation of OK law would be of value in buttressing your argument.

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    State Constitution Article II, Section 26

    The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from regulating the carrying of weapons.

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    You are claiming that your state constitution is 'law'? Try a statute. Hasta la byebye.

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    Code:
    §21-1289.6.
    
    CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH FIREARMS MAY BE CARRIED
    
    A. A person shall be permitted to carry loaded and unloaded shotguns,
    rifles and pistols, open and not concealed and without a handgun
    license as authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1
    through 25 of this act, pursuant to the following conditions:
    
    1. When hunting animals or fowl;
    
    2. During competition in or practicing in a safety or hunter safety
    class, target shooting, skeet, trap or other recognized sporting
    events;
    
    3. During participation in or in preparation for a military function
    of the state military forces to be defined as the Oklahoma Army or Air
    National Guard, Federal Military Reserve and active military forces;
    
    4. During participation in or in preparation for a recognized police
    function of either a municipal, county or state government as
    functioning police officials;
    
    5. During a practice for or a performance for entertainment purposes;
    or
    
    6. For any legitimate purpose not in violation of the Oklahoma
    Firearms Act of 1971, Sections 1289.1 through 1289.17 of this title or
    any legislative enactment regarding the use, ownership and control of
    firearms.
    
    B. A person shall be permitted to carry unloaded shotguns, rifles and
    pistols, open and not concealed and without a handgun license as
    authorized by the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act pursuant to the following
    conditions:
    
    1. When going to or from the person's private residence or vehicle or
    a vehicle in which the person is riding as a passenger to a place
    designated or authorized for firearms repairs or reconditioning, or
    for firearms trade, sale, or barter, or gunsmith, or hunting animals
    or fowl, or hunter safety course, or target shooting, or skeet or trap
    shooting or any recognized firearms activity or event and while in
    such places; or
    
    2. For any legitimate purpose not in violation of the Oklahoma
    Firearms Act of 1971, Sections 1289.1 through 1289.17 of this title.
    
    C. The provisions of this section shall not be construed to prohibit
    educational or recreational activities, exhibitions, displays or shows
    involving the use or display of rifles, shotguns or pistols or other
    weapons if the activity is approved by the property owner and sponsor
    of the activity.

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    Code:
    �21-1289.7.
    
    FIREARMS IN VEHICLES
    
    Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle
    a rifle, shotgun or pistol, open and unloaded, at any time. For
    purposes of this section "open" means the firearm is transported in
    plain view, in a case designed for carrying firearms, which case is
    wholly or partially visible, in a gun rack mounted in the vehicle, in
    an exterior locked compartment or a trunk of a vehicle.
    
    Any person, except a convicted felon, may transport in a motor vehicle
    a rifle or shotgun concealed behind a seat of the vehicle or within
    the interior of the vehicle provided the rifle or shotgun is not clip,
    magazine or chamber loaded. The authority to transport a clip or
    magazine loaded rifle or shotgun shall be pursuant to Section 1289.13
    of this title.
    
    Any person who is the operator of a vehicle or is a passenger in any
    vehicle wherein another person who is licensed pursuant to the
    Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1290.1 through 1290.25 of Title 21
    of the Oklahoma Statutes, to carry a concealed handgun and is carrying
    a concealed handgun or has concealed the handgun in such vehicle,
    shall not be deemed in violation of the provisions of this section
    provided the licensee is in or near the vehicle.

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    Sorry for the late response. I was summoned to breakfast by the cook.......



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    Where did you see anything about Oklahoma in that Time article?

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    In the magazine itself, there is a map on the page and it shows about 80% of states ALLOWING open carry...

    I will scan and get it in here as soon as I can.


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