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    Obamacare is planned for a vote in the House this weekend, onSunday 3/21/10. This week could be our last chance to stop this legislation. Obamacare may affect gun owners, Gun Owners of America has released alerts explaining the dangers of socialized healthcare to firearm owners (links below explain better than I can). The Dems. in the House of Reps. are planning to use a budget trick called “reconciliation” to pass it, but they're also considering using a concept called "deem & pass" as a backup. Neither of these ideas are Constitutional but they’re going to force it anyway because they know Obamacare is illegal, the people don’t want it, and would be filibustered in the Senate if it followed the normal legislative path.

    It's in our interest to pressure Congress to stop this from passing. I know we can’t all contact every Representative, but we don’t have to. A man by the name of Dick Morris, a political strategist & author (he’s been on Sean Hannity's show & Newsmax). He’s put together 31 Democrat Representatives that are “on the fence” about Obamacare, and listed their names and D.C. phone numbers on the front page of his website (linked below), so people can Call and pressure them to stop Obamacare. Their district zip codes are also available so we can email them if preferred (I‘ve listed them below). The reason is, the Congressional email system won’t allow messages through without a proper zip code (I‘d advise keeping yourself anonymous if you email).

    Also, Dick Morris is working with an organization called the League of American Voters, who's been running TV adds in each of the "swing" Congressman's districts to pressure them to vote against Obamacare. The TV adds seem to be working, but they need donations to continue running them (a sample of which is on their front page). Everything is linked below. Let’s keep the pressure on by calling, emailing, and helping to keep the TV adds running. (D.C. phone numbers listed below as well)



    Education Links:

    G.O.A. article explaining dangers of Obamacare to gun owners -
    http://gunowners.org/a110409.htm

    G.O.A. article explaining dangers of Reconciliation - http://gunowners.org/a022510.htm


    G.O.A. article about "deem & pass" scheme - http://gunowners.org/a031610.htm


    TownHall.com article "Obamacare May Target Gun Owners" - http://townhall.com/columnists/Jill...rget_gun_owners


    Video of Dick Morris explaining Danger of Obamacare & Reconciliation - http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid20971858001?bclid=22770165001&bctid=68367 790001

    Video of Dick Morris explaining the Urgency of stopping Obamacare -

    http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid20971858001?bclid=22770165001&bctid=70283 645001


    Video- Dick Morris Update on Obamacare Vote - http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=72285478001

    Video- Rep. Steve King (R) discussing Obamacare Vote - http://link.brightcove.com/services/...id=72360404001

    Sean Hannity's Chart of House Dem. Healthcare Stances -->
    http://beta.hannity.com/pages/where-...-on-obama-care




    Resources:

    Dick Morris website with 31 Democrat Congressmen’s names & phone numbers - http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/

    League of American Voters website (running TV adds against Obamacare / needs donations) - http://leagueofamericanvoters.com/home.aspx

    U.S. House of Reps., List of Congressmen by Name & links to websites (for emails) -http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml




    31 “swing” Congressmen’s District Zip Codes for emails:

    Harry Mitchell - 85268

    Gabrielle Giffords - 85603

    Ann Kirkpatrick - 86001

    Jerry McNerney - 95240

    John Salazar - 81520

    Jim Himes - 06611

    Alan Grayson - 32726

    Bill Foster - 60510

    Baron Hill - 47150

    Mark Schauer - 49201

    Gary Peters - 48340

    Dina Titus - 89005

    Carol Shea-Porter - 03820

    Tim Bishop - 11727

    John Hall - 10566

    Bill Owens - 13601

    Mike Arcuri - 13045

    Dan Maffei - 13201

    Earl Pomeroy - 58701

    Steven Driehaus - 45239

    Mary Jo Kilroy - 43123

    Zach Space - 43701

    Kathy Dahlkemper - 16501

    Patrick Murphy - 19030

    Christopher Carney - 17801

    Paul Kanjorski - 18603

    John Spratt - 29108

    Tom Perriello - 22901

    Alan Mollohan - Standard email address, no zip code needed

    Nick Rahall - 25901

    Steve Kagen - 54115



    31 “swing” Congressmen’s DC phone numbers:

    Harry Mitchell - (202) 225-2190

    Gabrielle Giffords - (202) 225-2542

    Ann Kirkpatrick - (202) 225-2315

    Jerry McNerney - (202) 225-1947

    John Salazar - (202)-225-4761

    Jim Hines - (202) 225-5541

    Alan Grayson - (202) 225-2176

    Bill Foster - (202) 225-2976

    Baron Hill - (202) 225 5315

    Mark Schauer - (202) 225-6276

    Gary Peters - (202) 225-5802

    Dina Titus - (202) 225-3252

    Carol Shea-Porter - (202) 225-5456

    Tim Bishop - (202) 225-3826

    John Hall - (202) 225-5441

    Bill Owens - (202) 225-4611

    Mike Arcuri - (202) 225-3665

    Dan Maffei - (202) 225-3701

    Earl Pomneroy - (202) 225-2611

    Steven Driehaus - (202) 225-2216

    Mary Jo Kilroy - (202) 225-2015

    Zach Space - (202) 225-6265

    Kathy Dahlkemper - (202) 225-5406

    Patrick Murphy - (202) 225-4276

    Christopher Carney - (202) 225-3731

    Paul Kanjorski - (202) 225-6511

    John Spratt - (202) 225-5501

    Tom Perriello - (202) 225-4711

    Alan Mollohan - (202) 225-4172

    Nick Rahall - (202) 225-3452

    Steve Kagen - (202) 225-5665





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    You watch. They ARE gonna shove this crap down our throats. They will.

    I fight every way I know, and will NOT quit. I will refuse it afterward some way.....but it IS coming. Get ready.

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    DOC: "Mr. Jones, we have a few questions we need answered if you don't mind."
    MAN: "Ok."
    DOC: "Do you drive to work?"
    MAN: "Yes."
    DOC: "What kind of vehicle do you use?"
    MAN: "An SUV - Ford Excursion".
    DOC: (notes answer) "How many miles to work?"
    MAN: "Oh, I'd say 30+."
    DOC: (notes answer) "Where do you eat lunch?"
    MAN: "Chinese carry out, Wendy's, sometimes a Mexican place."
    DOC: (notes answer) "Do you fish?"
    MAN: "Yes, occasionally."
    DOC: (notes answer) "Hunt?"
    MAN: "Yes."
    DOC: (notes answer) "You have guns in the house?"
    MAN: "Yes."
    DOC: (notes answer with comments) "What kind of guns?"
    MAN: "Shotguns, rifles, handguns."
    DOC: (more comments noted) "Handguns? How do you store them?"
    MAN: "In my safe except for the one I keep for protection."
    DOC: "You keep a loaded gun out in the open?" (makes lots of notes)
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    DOC: "Out in the open? Are there children in the house?" (lots of notes)
    MAN: "Sure. I have three young kids."
    DOC: "You have young children and you have a loaded gun unsecured in your home?"
    MAN: "Of course. How would I be able to protect them if I didn't?"
    DOC: "Ok Mr. Jones. I think we have everything we need. Thank you for coming in."

    (Man leaves the doctor's office)

    DOC: "Betty, get me the Child Protective Services on the phone. I think we have a dangerous situation here.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    That is a real hypothetical progression but I have not heard recently - within the year - of anecdotes suggesting that it is being pursued.

    I've seen a number of MDs for initial visits recently and none have been so intrusive. I did have a most satisfying conversation with IIRC an officer of a nearby county medical association that plainly set out his conservative principles.

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    That is a real hypothetical progression but I have not heard recently - within the year - of anecdotes suggesting that it is being pursued.

    I've seen a number of MDs for initial visits recently and none have been so intrusive. I did have a most satisfying conversation with IIRC an officer of a nearby county medical association that plainly set out his conservative principles.
    Considering how hard Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have tried to pass this monstrosity without the public knowing what's in it, I have no doubt that this Obamacare thing will be detrimental to gun owners in some way.

    Think about these possibilities:

    • Gun owners could face higher premiums for having firearms in the home.
    • The Environmental and Child Welfare agencies could team up and make it a criminal offense to store ammo in homes with children, citing health risk from exposure to lead.
    • Government could impose mandatory firearm registration to recieve health care coverage.

    I'm sure more could be thought up. The liberals in our governmentcan be creative rascals when the want to be.

    All of these may be un-constitutioal, but what do the Dems care about the Constitution? The public option included in Obama care is un-constitutional, in itself.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    That is a real hypothetical progression but I have not heard recently - within the year - of anecdotes suggesting that it is being pursued.

    I've seen a number of MDs for initial visits recently and none have been so intrusive. I did have a most satisfying conversation with IIRC an officer of a nearby county medical association that plainly set out his conservative principles.
    Considering how hard Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have tried to pass this monstrosity without the public knowing what's in it, I have no doubt that this Obamacare thing will be detrimental to gun owners in some way.

    Think about these possibilities:
    • Gun owners could face higher premiums for having firearms in the home.
    • The Environmental and Child Welfare agencies could team up and make it a criminal offense to store ammo in homes with children, citing health risk from exposure to lead.
    • Government could impose mandatory firearm registration to recieve health care coverage.
    I'm sure more could be thought up. The liberals in our governmentcan be creative rascals when the want to be.

    All of these may be un-constitutioal, but what do the Dems care about the Constitution? The public option included in Obama care is un-constitutional, in itself.
    Absolutely. More harm in the name of good has been done to people than we can imagine. Once that camel's nose is under the medical care tent, all manner of insidious mischief will follow.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Except this isn't the nose of the camel but rather the entire back-end and you know what that camel is going to do in our tent once it gets its butt in there....
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Except this isn't the nose of the camel but rather the entire back-end and you know what that camel is going to do in our tent once it gets its butt in there....
    Camel? I thought it was a *******.

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Except this isn't the nose of the camel but rather the entire back-end and you know what that camel is going to do in our tent once it gets its butt in there....
    You've got that right.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Dems. in House started reconciliation process on Monday. Pelosi pushing for vote as early as Saturday 3/20/10.

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    What is being contemplated by Pelosi is basically a smokescreen whereby the item being voted on will be a slate of proposed amendments to the Senate bill which, if they pass, will be sent to the Senate as a seperate bill to be debated there. But also if they pass, then according to the "rule of debate" formulated by the House Rules Committtee the Senate bill will be "deemed" to have passed and will be sent to Obama to be signed into law.

    This is intended to give a smokescreen to all those Democrat reps who are hesitant by enabling them to try to get their constituents to believe that they did not vote for the Senate bill, just for some amendments to make it better but- whoopsie! - wound up allowing the Senate bill to pass.Confused? The Ratz hope so.

    That ain't all folks. See, the "Senate" bill isn't a Senate bill. It can't be because it contains provisions for raising revenue that will be administered by the Infernal Revenooers. But actually the Senate bill started out in the House Ways and Means committee. Senator Warner has a marvellous FAQ that explains what happened next. The Senate upon recieving the House tax bill just stripped out all the house language, put their own in, and then sent it back to the House for approval. Calling it of course "the Senate Bill" except that it has a House frame around it, making it a "tax bill that originated in theHouse" - and then got gutted and filled full of taxes by the Senate. Then it gets debated in the House and people who hear it being called "the Senate bill" think they are not going to incur more taxes because of it.

    Little do they know, and that's the way Pelosi likes it.

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    So much for transparency in government.



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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    So much for transparency in government.

    I think maybe what Obama meant about "transparency" was he thought it meant transferring authority in raising your kids to the government, (sorry, no dancing banana. It ain't funny.)

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Task Force 16 wrote:
    So much for transparency in government.

    I think maybe what Obama meant about "transparency" was he thought it meant transferring authority in raising your kids to the government, (sorry, no dancing banana. It ain't funny.)
    Ironic that you bring up that facet.

    http://mises.org/daily/1406<-- "What Government has done to our Families"

    And you're right, it isn't funny.

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    Well folks the latest is that the House is going to let it pass through without a vote. Forget the reconciliation, now it's the Slaughter tactic. They use this instead of having to pass the bill. Just wondering what part of NO don't they understand?
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    KansasMustang wrote:
    Well folks the latest is that the House is going to let it pass through without a vote. Forget the reconciliation, now it's the Slaughter tactic. They use this instead of having to pass the bill. Just wondering what part of NO don't they understand?
    Government health care... my, my, my,... with provisions to control the amount of, the nature of, the degree of, and the availability of, care that is a matter of life and death for the patient... all based upon cost effectiveness.

    The "Slaughter tactic" seems to me to be an ironic and appropriate name to put to the entire bill.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    And timely coincidental with our recent discussions of The Slaugherhouse Cases and the Fourteenth Amendment.

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    KansasMustang wrote:
    Well folks the latest is that the House is going to let it pass through without a vote. Forget the reconciliation, now it's the Slaughter tactic. They use this instead of having to pass the bill. Just wondering what part of NO don't they understand?
    Only if Obama and Pelosi can convince those Dems who care about their seats that their constituents are stupid enough to believe that their rep did not know that a vote for the Slaughter package was a vote to put Obamacare on "president" Obama's desk.

    It is not at all clear this will be possible. Even with the "Slaughter Rule" they still need a majority of votes. If they had the votes, they would have voted already. Unfortunately for Pelosi, this little monkey shine has been exposed for the flim-flam it is, and people have been calling Emailing and visiting their Representatives to tell them that the know what is up and they will be held responsible.

    The upside to all this is that the far-left statists who have taken over the Democrat Party have shown their true colors to everyone. They have told 3/4 of the People that they, the DemonRatz, are morally and intellectually superior to the common run and so should by right rule over them. And the People are repulsed.

    Slaughter? Yep. Either way it is coming in November.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    That is a real hypothetical progression but I have not heard recently - within the year - of anecdotes suggesting that it is being pursued.

    I've seen a number of MDs for initial visits recently and none have been so intrusive. I did have a most satisfying conversation with IIRC an officer of a nearby county medical association that plainly set out his conservative principles.
    Considering how hard Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have tried to pass this monstrosity without the public knowing what's in it, I have no doubt that this Obamacare thing will be detrimental to gun owners in some way.

    Think about these possibilities:

    • Gun owners could face higher premiums for having firearms in the home.
    • The Environmental and Child Welfare agencies could team up and make it a criminal offense to store ammo in homes with children, citing health risk from exposure to lead.
    • Government could impose mandatory firearm registration to recieve health care coverage.
    I'm sure more could be thought up. The liberals in our governmentcan be creative rascals when the want to be.

    All of these may be un-constitutioal, but what do the Dems care about the Constitution? The public option included in Obama care is un-constitutional, in itself.
    Juiced enough?


    Well, they COULD sendour guns to the moon too -- that is if it were part of the legislation -- and had built a big enough rocket ship.

    But its not. No gun stuff. No public option. No constitutional monstrosities. No rocket ship.

    The right has us foaming at the mouth over a "self-executing rule" and a health care bill that is far more modest than the one Richard Nixon proposed.

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    Hey Donk, tell Connolly he's fired.

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    I'll see him tonight . . .but afraid that I will be too busy drinking to his health with a large pint of stout.







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    How could we let this happen! I mean since when can the governement force us to pay into a program we don't want to take part in? I mean how can they under penalty of law force us to pay for things we don't think we need?

    Whoa Whoa Whoa! Doesn't social security fit into this type of program?

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    The Donkey wrote:
    Juiced enough?


    Well, they COULD sendour guns to the moon too -- that is if it were part of the legislation -- and had built a big enough rocket ship.

    But its not. No gun stuff. No public option. No constitutional monstrosities. No rocket ship.

    The right has us foaming at the mouth over a "self-executing rule" and a health care bill that is far more modest than the one Richard Nixon proposed.
    I am very suspicious of the bill that Nancy Pelosi wants to use that self executing rule or "deem and pass" because... she herself said it was a way to get the bill passed and still protect the jobs of those who vote for the "rule" but could pretend voting for the "rule" wasn't voting for the "bill". The snide, arrogant, condescending tone of that bald faced lie insinuating that the American public is too stupid to understand that voting for the rule IS voting for the bill is insulting.

    The same bill Nancy Pelosi said would have to be passed before anyone can find out what is in it?

    We already know the current Progressive controlled government is prone to doing things under cover of darkness... with back room deals... with appointments of radicals... and with circumventing proper channels (no cap and trade? No problem... have the EPA do it)... why on earth would anyone simply "trust" that a 2000+ page health care bill would NOT have insidious Constitutional monstrosities intended to expand governmental control of much more than health care hidden in it?

    Public option? Who needs it when the government program simply prices private firms out of business leaving the only option the "public" one anyway?

    Guns? Who was it that tried to blame Mexico's problems on America's gun owners in an effort to control America's gun owners... not Mexico's problems? Does anyone think the agenda to control guns has suddenly gone away? Or that the health care bill would not include a way to control guns? 2000+ pages concerns just health care?

    I'm not buying it for one second. I do not believe this bill has much to do with truly addressing health care but has everything to do with the government expanding it's control over every aspect of it's citizen's daily lives.

    Sheesh! "Slaughter rule" or "self executing rule"... such appropriate names! If the "Slaughter rule" passes health care.. health care becomes rationed (think it won't? Add 30 million new folks but don't add more Doctors equals rationing of patients access to Doctors right there) and people will die for lack of timely access to needed meds, needed procedures, needed hospitals.... And.... if "we the people" allow this to happen then we "self executed" ourselves by a "rule"... used by our "rulers".

    Rant "off".
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    Thats a fact. Its all about power. These people dont give a s%%t about our constitution, freedoms, liberties or anything else. The backlash shall be GREAT.

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    House Republican attempt to stop "deem& pass", has failed unfortunately. House vote for Obamacarepushed back to Sunday 3/21/10.

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