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    Heading out to The Firing Line in Westland late morning to make holes in paper. I'll be guy with beard, scruffy hair, camo baseball cap. Join me if anyone wants to.

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    Shame on you firing line sucks ass

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    Better off going to TopGun

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    Not gonna say much more about it than to say; I enjoy going there, never had a bad experience, bought several new guns, holsters, belts, supplies, use the range quite a bit and have taken several classes there. Always get good service and goods for a very fair price. Today for instance, when I was leaving around 1PM, the place was very busy, I made it a point to observe; this is what I saw: lots of people getting professional, friendly service. The range was full, the store was full. Staff and customers looked quite happy to me.

    If some have had a bad time there, its not for me to argue. Been working out fine for me and mine.

    (no, I don't work there, or know the owners or staff personally)
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    Did you open carry?

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    a2fireball wrote:
    Not gonna say much more about it than to say; I enjoy going there, never had a bad experience, bought several new guns, holsters, belts, supplies, use the range quite a bit and have taken several classes there. Always get good service and goods for a very fair price. Today for instance, when I was leaving around 1PM, the place was very busy, I made it a point to observe; this is what I saw: lots of people getting professional, friendly service. The range was full, the store was full. Staff and customers looked quite happy to me.

    If some have had a bad time there, its not for me to argue. Been working out fine for me and mine.

    (no, I don't work there, or know the owners or staff personally)
    I'm just glad to see you posting again

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    FatboyCykes wrote:
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    Not gonna say much more about it than to say; I enjoy going there, never had a bad experience, bought several new guns, holsters, belts, supplies, use the range quite a bit and have taken several classes there. Always get good service and goods for a very fair price. Today for instance, when I was leaving around 1PM, the place was very busy, I made it a point to observe; this is what I saw: lots of people getting professional, friendly service. The range was full, the store was full. Staff and customers looked quite happy to me.

    If some have had a bad time there, its not for me to argue. Been working out fine for me and mine.

    (no, I don't work there, or know the owners or staff personally)
    I'm just glad to see you posting again
    Huh?
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    mikestilly wrote:
    Did you open carry?
    Nope, I CC'd
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    a2fireball wrote:
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    Did you open carry?
    Nope, I CC'd
    How come?

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    mikestilly wrote:
    Did you open carry?
    The Firing Line does NOT allow OC.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    Did you open carry?
    Do they allow OC?

    ETA: Too old and slow.

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    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
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    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    +1

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    +1

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    ôLiberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.ö - George Bernard Shaw

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    a2fireball wrote:
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    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words. Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right. Sheeeeze!


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    a2fireball wrote:
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    CV67PAT wrote:
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    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words. Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right. Sheeeeze!

    Unlawful activity is not constitutionally protected.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks!┬* The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity.┬* I don't understand why some can't get this.┬* If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A.┬* Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.┬*┬*┬*
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate.┬* And they are supposed to be!!!┬*┬*┬* Any other way to have it is socialism.┬* Private propert rights are equally important.┬* If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what.┬* They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words.┬* Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right.┬* Sheeeeze!

    Unlawful activity is not constitutionally protected.
    SCOTUS has heard a case rendering the profanity laws unconstitutional and invalid.

    Moving on.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words. Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right. Sheeeeze!

    Unlawful activity is not constitutionally protected.
    Some municipalities have laws against OCing, but its still a constitutionally protected right.

    Pat, you just like to be contrary, OK.

    They probably don't want you yelling nonsense in their store.

    I wouldn't want people openly worshiping satan in my business...does that make me anti-1A?
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    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
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    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words. Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right. Sheeeeze!

    Unlawful activity is not constitutionally protected.
    Some municipalities have laws against OCing, but its still a constitutionally protected right.

    Pat, you just like to be contrary, OK.

    They probably don't want you yelling nonsense in their store.

    I wouldn't want people openly worshiping satan in my business...does that make me anti-1A?
    Those ordinances are not lawful.

    Preaching openly in a store is not lawful.

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    I do not support anti-OC establishments period, end of story. If you support them feel free but remember that you're giving your money to a place that is against what we're trying to do here on OCDO. 2A is 2A either you support it or you don't. Telling people a legal method of carry is not allowed in your establishment is anti-2A in my opinion. Take it how you will. This is my opinion and I do not support any place that tells me I cannot carry my firearm in a legal manner especially some place thats suppose to be pro-2A.

    As for anti-OC ordinances there are no legal ones in Michigan. You will need to go south to find those.

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    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    CV67PAT wrote:
    a2fireball wrote:
    mikestilly wrote:
    Ahh, never been there was just wondering .. another anti-OC range. I'd like to see the 2A ranges and anti-2A ranges in a list.. I'd refuse to go there just like I refuse to go to Double Action .. even though it's down the street.

    Pro 2A Ranges such as Southside Sportsmans Club in Battle Creek.
    OK, hold on a minute folks! The Second Amendment applies to the government infringing on the the right to keep and bear arms, not a private entity. I don't understand why some can't get this. If a business does not want OC on their property, that does not make then anti 2A. Now if you don't like it and don't want to do business with them, that's all fine and good, but that does not make them anti-2A.
    Correct. The 2A does apply to the federal government.

    Support of it, without qualification, it what determines if an entity is for it or against it.

    You can't have it both ways.

    Either we stand together. Or we hang alone.
    Yes you can have it both ways, private property and public property are separate. And they are supposed to be!!! Any other way to have it is socialism. Private propert rights are equally important. If TFL has reasons for not wanting OC in THEIR store, so what. They may not want you yelling profanity in there either; does that make them anti-1A?
    No comparison.

    Yelling profanities in their store is unlawful I believe.

    OC is lawful I believe.
    OK, lets mince words. Profanity my be illegal some places, (wrongly), but it is a constitutionally protected right. Sheeeeze!

    Unlawful activity is not constitutionally protected.
    Some municipalities have laws against OCing, but its still a constitutionally protected right.

    Pat, you just like to be contrary, OK.

    They probably don't want you yelling nonsense in their store.

    I wouldn't want people openly worshiping satan in my business...does that make me anti-1A?
    Those ordinances are not lawful.

    Preaching openly in a store is not lawful.
    I have come to the conclusion that conversing with you is pointless. :celebrate
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