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    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/w...ucks-1.1013198

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    Andrew Purcell, New York

    Published on 14 Mar 2010

    The “open-carry” movement first came to national attention when armed men began turning up at presidential events last summer, wearing their pistols in full view.

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    It might seem hard for the European mind to process, but in the US many gun owners are not content with having a firearm stashed in their house should a burglar attack, they also want to walk down Main Street with a revolver on their hip in public sight – preserving the libertarian standards of the Wild West in 21st century USA: that’s the essence of the open-carry movement.

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    The biggest changes in gun law are taking place at state level. Montana and Tennessee have introduced laws exempting guns and ammunition produced, sold and used within the state from any federal regulation at all.

    Arizona and Wyoming will soon allow residents to carry concealed weapons without a permit. In Virginia, home of the NRA, Republicans backed a measure to repeal the state’s one-gun-a-month law, but were stymied by a committee packed with Democrats. The Virginia Citizens Defence League is keeping up the pressure, with a proposal to allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons in bars, providing they do not drink.

    The VCDL has been at the forefront of the open-carry movement. Member John Pierce founded opencarry.org a decade ago. He believes firearms should only be banned from prisons, courtrooms and beyond the security line at airports. In his worldview, schools, bars and churches would be safer places if they were protected by responsible gun owners, carrying openly.

    Mr Pierce equates his cause with the civil rights movement, framing it as a libertarian crusade.

    He said: “We’re really doing the same thing that the gay and lesbian community have been doing in their very successful attempts to do away with prejudice against their lifestyle.

    “By proclaiming loudly and proudly who they are, they are in fact making people confront their prejudices and move past them. That’s what we want to do with properly holstered guns carried by law-abiding citizens.”

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    Ahmen to that!

    Well done to all of our friends across the pond.

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    All:

    This alleged poll sponsored by the, Mayor against Illegal guns, keeps popping up. I heard used a number of times by the anti-gun groups and now in this article. So, I need to ask some questions:

    1) Who Conducted this poll?
    2) Where is the polling data located?
    3) What were the questions asked?
    4) What statistical model was used to analyze the data?
    5) How did they know that any of the polled people were in fact, members of of the NRA?

    I really don't think this poll exists and it there is data, it is fraudulent. I challenge these Mayors to provide all data concerning this poll immediately and the source of the funding used to conduct it.

    Until then, media outlets should stop reporting this alleged poll. Also, opencarry.org members need to pressure these mayors to produce the data.

    Christopher

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    bealaskan wrote:
    All:

    This alleged poll sponsored by the, Mayor against Illegal guns, keeps popping up. I heard used a number of times by the anti-gun groups and now in this article. So, I need to ask some questions:

    1) Who Conducted this poll?
    2) Where is the polling data located?
    3) What were the questions asked?
    4) What statistical model was used to analyze the data?
    5) How did they know that any of the polled people were in fact, members of of the NRA?

    I really don't think this poll exists and it there is data, it is fraudulent. I challenge these Mayors to provide all data concerning this poll immediately and the source of the funding used to conduct it.

    Until then, media outlets should stop reporting this alleged poll. Also, opencarry.org members need to pressure these mayors to produce the data.

    Christopher
    MAIG poll information:

    http://bigjournalism.com/wthuston/20...ll/#more-11818

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    "Mayors Against Illegal Guns".....The name doesn't sound too sinister. The rub comes from the anti-gun crowd who infest such organizations. They really want to remove the first couple of letters from "illegal". Just another phony poll from a group of misnamed anti-2A folks. Digging past the label to get to the real purpose sure gets old.

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    24. A federal law making it illegal to manufacture, sell, or possess semi-automatic weapons, sometimes known as “assault rifles.”

    NRA NON–NRA
    30% 47% SUPPORT (NET)
    20% 31% STRONGLY SUPPORT
    10% 17% SOMEWHAT SUPPORT
    12% 17% NEUTRAL/NO OPINION
    10% 12% SOMEWHAT OPPOSE
    48% 24% STRONGLY OPPOSE
    58% 36% OPPOSE (NET)


    They found 120+ NRA members who would support making it illegal to possess an M1 Garand?!
    I'm skeptical. :X

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    Because they are "assault" rifles. We should only allow "hug" rifles.

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    Flashbang wrote:
    "Mayors Against Illegal Guns".....The name doesn't sound too sinister. The rub comes from the anti-gun crowd who infest such organizations. They really want to remove the first couple of letters from "illegal". Just another phony poll from a group of misnamed anti-2A folks. Digging past the label to get to the real purpose sure gets old.
    A more honest and fitting name would be Mayors Against Guns.

    Then again, I have met no one from either side that had any delusions about this group. They are what they are.

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    “I’m still hopeful,” the Brady Campaign’s Paul Helmke says, with a weary laugh. “Our laws are so weak that you can be on the terrorist watch list and buy a gun in this country.”
    Might be a little warning sign of what's on the agenda for the Brady Campaign. It would be a bleak day for this country if someone could just be arbitrarily put on a list and lose their gun rights.

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    NightOwl wrote:
    “I’m still hopeful,” the Brady Campaign’s Paul Helmke says, with a weary laugh. “Our laws are so weak that you can be on the terrorist watch list and buy a gun in this country.”
    Might be a little warning sign of what's on the agenda for the Brady Campaign. It would be a bleak day for this country if someone could just be arbitrarily put on a list and lose their gun rights.
    Naw, they only plan on putting people who's names have letters in it, such as Bob, Bill, Sam, Tracy, etc...

    I don't trust the Brady Bunch, WAVE, or any other group that openly advocates the total disarmament of the United States
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    The civil rights movement Mike references had LEADERS who actually LEAD from the front, often with dire consequences.
    Don't see THAT happening here.
    Why not?
    Are you saying that Mike is not leading from the front? That's not my perception.

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    Mike is leading, not just from his keyboard, but by building this site and representing our cause in numerous media interviews.

    He leads by example by regularly strapping on and exercising his rights.

    He may not be physically out in front of hundreds or thousands of others of us in a group wearing guns, but that would hurt the cause, making us look like an angry mob with guns.

    BTW, such action would be illegal in Alabama, where I live. That many people getting together to push an issue would be considered a demonstration. It is unlawful to bring guns to a demonstration in Alabama (and probably many other states).

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    eye95 wrote:
    Because they are "assault" rifles. We should only allow "hug" rifles.
    LOL
    Heavy Uber Gun

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    N6ATF wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    Because they are "assault" rifles. We should only allow "hug" rifles.
    LOL
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    I like that acronym. I am going to steal it. At the point of a HUG rifle.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    The civil rights movement Mike references had LEADERS who actually LEAD from the front, often with dire consequences.
    Don't see THAT happening here.
    Why not?
    Maybe because they don't see the need for "dire consequences."

    Which "movement" are you leading? IMO - Clik

    Maybe you need to find a place where you can lead more effectively from your favorite position.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    I'm not suggesting "dire consequences" are needed, just trying to teach the intentionally ignorant there WERE people in days past who DID things, knowing the potential consequences. Sorry that basic history lesson is lost on you.

    Can't lead anyone who refuses to be led, no shortage here.
    We apologize for our ignorance. We cannot help it. We are not as enlightened as you are.

    May I suggest you take your infinite wisdom and infinite talent for leading someplace where you can find a bunch of people wanting to be led.

    It seems to me that the purpose of this site is to empower people to be individuals, not sheep to be led.

    Baa-aa-aa-aa

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    Pssst..."loosely organized" as opposed to being led is kinda the American ideal. Just thought you'd like to know.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Pffffft.
    *snort*

    Your turn.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Since Mike made the correlation to the civil rights movement of the 60's, I added how THAT movement (and lots of others) have actual LEADERS.

    We have no such thing here, "loosely organized" is being gracious.
    Best descriptive phrase I have ever seen from someone describing himself.

    The problem is that when you baptize yourself, it is often not with holy water.

    So what will the name of your new organization be? I'm sure that it will demand a majority of your time.

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    Youchildren are putting on a nice show for the anti-gun populace to use against us. Get yourselves a room and keep it off the forum.
    "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun."

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    I would have to say that the leaders of yesterday did what they did because the information age was not there yet. Very few people had a computer sitting in front them in the early 60's. The only way to get the word was to as the gentleman from Louisianna stated was to Lead from the front. In order to make people hear your statement they had to organize protests and demonstrations of a grand scale so that the news stations and papers would care enough it to report it. Today we don't need to do that. The times have changed it is up to us to remain open minded enough to change with them.

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    Good point.

    I would also say that the fact that this issue is now being discussed everywhere and laws are changing is proof that Mike's approach is the right approach.

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    hp-hobo wrote:
    Youchildren are putting on a nice show for the anti-gun populace to use against us. Get yourselves a room and keep it off the forum.
    When someone chooses to attack the forum members, leadership and methods, don't expect it to go unanswered.

    Where this to get out of hand, I would expect some moderator interaction - don't see this as needed..................................yet.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    hp-hobo wrote:
    Youchildren are putting on a nice show for the anti-gun populace to use against us. Get yourselves a room and keep it off the forum.
    When someone chooses to attack the forum members, leadership and methods, don't expect it to go unanswered.

    Where this to get out of hand, I would expect some moderator interaction - don't see this as needed..................................yet.

    Yata hey
    One has to wonder why someone who does not like the leadership style of the leader of a group chooses to remain a member of that group. Should he not start his own group where he can gather people who like being led by him?

    Personally, I like Mike's leadership style. It's so American.

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    One has to wonder why someone who does not like the leadership style of the leader of a group chooses to remain a member of that group. Should he not start his own group where he can gather people who like being led by him? Personally, I like Mike's leadership style. It's so American.
    At least American the way it was before the Jackson/Van Buren administration and the birth of political parties. A group of independent minded cusses with a singular goal is kind of tough to defeat. Not like a tough well organized hierarchic based group where taking out the leadership and a few core members destroys the group.

    We are in trouble when we all start to agree because as the old saw goes. If everybody is thinking alike then somebody isn't thinking.
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