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    Since in AL the sheriff can take your CCL away (sometimes for OCing from what I hear) would it be possible for me to get my CCL in FL ("shall issue" to non-residents) to prevent the sheriff from taking it from me? Seems like this would be a good way to ensure that I couldn't lose my right to CC by exercising my right to OC.

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    I thought I remember reading that AL does not recognize non-resident permits from another state if you are an AL resident. In other words, if you are an AL resident, you need an AL permit to carry in AL.

    I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong or points everyone to where this policy is encoded if I am right.

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    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.

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    47_MasoN_47 wrote:
    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.
    Sometimes? It sucked for the whole 8 months I lived there.

    Can't open carry.
    Can't brew your own beer.
    Can't buy beer over 6% abv.
    Can't open a brewpub.
    Can't have "toy" stores.


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    You CAN Open Carry in Alabama, and you do not need a Permit!

    Everything else though, is sad but true. There is no Alcohol or 'Toys' in a Bible-belt State.


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    Meh I couldn't care less about alcohol so that stuff doesn't bother me :P. Never tried it, don't plan on it.

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    kingfish wrote:
    47_MasoN_47 wrote:
    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.
    Sometimes? It sucked for the whole 8 months I lived there.

    Can't open carry. False.
    Can't brew your own beer.
    Can't buy beer over 6% abv. Recently made False.
    Can't open a brewpub. False. Montgomery has had a brew pub for years.
    Can't have "toy" stores. Montgomery has some interesting "toy" stores.
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    I'm must disagree. Most of those "facts" of yours are incorrect.

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    aadvark wrote:
    You CAN Open Carry in Alabama, and you do not need a Permit!

    Everything else though, is sad but true. There is no Alcohol or 'Toys' in a Bible-belt State.
    Um...You are correct. You CAN but in alot of places you are VERY likely to get thrown to the ground and have a boot in the back of your head while you are disarmed and taken to jail and loose your permit for some time.



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    eye95 wrote:
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    47_MasoN_47 wrote:
    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.
    Sometimes? It sucked for the whole 8 months I lived there.

    Can't open carry. False.
    Can, yes but not advisable in many parts of the state.

    Can't brew your own beer.

    Can't buy beer over 6% abv. Recently made False.
    Very Very recently..What..2 months ago?

    Can't open a brewpub. False. Montgomery has had a brew pub for years.
    And Auburn has one. The point is there are VERY few. Maybe 6 in the state.
    http://law.justia.com/alabama/codes/21502/28-4a-3.html

    Can't have "toy" stores. Montgomery has some interesting "toy" stores.
    And it is still against the law. A law that is not being enforced but it is still against the law.
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    kingfish wrote:
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    You CAN Open Carry in Alabama, and you do not need a Permit!

    Everything else though, is sad but true. There is no Alcohol or 'Toys' in a Bible-belt State.
    Um...You are correct. You CAN but in alot of places you are VERY likely to get thrown to the ground and have a boot in the back of your head while you are disarmed and taken to jail and loose your permit for some time.

    Really? Do you have any ferinstances of someone being thrown to the ground and getting a boot in the back of the head. A lot of people have related a lot of stories about OC who haven't been hassled at all, let alone "booted."

    Granted, some LEOs are unfamiliar with the law and may inappropriately confront an OCer, but what you allege is quite extreme.

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    kingfish wrote:
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    kingfish wrote:
    47_MasoN_47 wrote:
    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.
    Sometimes? It sucked for the whole 8 months I lived there.

    Can't open carry. False.
    Can, yes but not advisable in many parts of the state.
    Please share specifics.

    Can't brew your own beer.

    Can't buy beer over 6% abv. Recently made False.
    Very Very recently..What..2 months ago?
    Longer than that, but I did say "recently."

    Can't open a brewpub. False. Montgomery has had a brew pub for years.
    And Auburn has one. The point is there are VERY few. Maybe 6 in the state.
    So, you can open one, therefore your statement is false.

    Can't have "toy" stores. Montgomery has some interesting "toy" stores.
    And it is still against the law. A law that is not being enforced but it is still against the law.
    Please cite the law. We have several "toy" stores. I hardly think they are all violating the law. The fact the we have them means that we can, so your statement is false.
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    I dont get the toy stores... no toy stores in the bible belt states? maybe Im dense.

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    There are adult bookstores and such in Huntsville and Birmingham I'm sure. There are even huge billboards about them. I've never been in any of them but the signs say toys and such.

    Can anyone confirm that eye95's statement about AL not honoring non-resident CCLs is true?

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    eye95 wrote:
    kingfish wrote:
    aadvark wrote:
    You CAN Open Carry in Alabama, and you do not need a Permit!

    Everything else though, is sad but true. There is no Alcohol or 'Toys' in a Bible-belt State.
    Um...You are correct. You CAN but in alot of places you are VERY likely to get thrown to the ground and have a boot in the back of your head while you are disarmed and taken to jail and loose your permit for some time.

    Really? Do you have any ferinstances of someone being thrown to the ground and getting a boot in the back of the head. A lot of people have related a lot of stories about OC who haven't been hassled at all, let alone "booted."

    Granted, some LEOs are unfamiliar with the law and may inappropriately confront an OCer, but what you allege is quite extreme.
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum59/2576-1.html



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    eye95 wrote:
    kingfish wrote:
    eye95 wrote:
    kingfish wrote:
    47_MasoN_47 wrote:
    FACEPALM! Gah Alabama sucks sometimes.
    Sometimes? It sucked for the whole 8 months I lived there.

    Can't open carry. False.
    Can, yes but not advisable in many parts of the state.
    Please share specifics.
    Done, see above.

    Can't brew your own beer.

    Can't buy beer over 6% abv. Recently made False.
    Very Very recently..What..2 months ago?
    Longer than that, but I did say "recently."
    Ya got me here.

    Can't open a brewpub. False. Montgomery has had a brew pub for years.
    And Auburn has one. The point is there are VERY few. Maybe 6 in the state.
    So, you can open one, therefore your statement is false.
    See cite in previous post. Can is pretty subjective...VERY strict rules.

    Can't have "toy" stores. Montgomery has some interesting "toy" stores.
    And it is still against the law. A law that is not being enforced but it is still against the law.
    Please cite the law. We have several "toy" stores. I hardly think they are all violating the law. The fact the we have them means that we can, so your statement is false.

    http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/alabama_supremes_uphold_criminalization_of_sex_toy _sales_store_owner_will_c/
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    Last post in this thread. One CAN do anything they damn well please.

    Just because Montgomery County or Birmingham decided to let the good ol' boys carry does not mean that everywhere in the state will allow it. I fully understand the law and I fully understand it is legal. I was one of the co-founders of alabamagunrights.org (a now defunct gun rights site and forum.)

    Please do not tell people they CAN OC without a license and they will be just fine anywhere in AL. You would be giving some possibly very damaging and costly advice.

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    kingfish wrote:
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    aadvark wrote:
    You CAN Open Carry in Alabama, and you do not need a Permit!

    Everything else though, is sad but true. There is no Alcohol or 'Toys' in a Bible-belt State.
    Um...You are correct. You CAN but in alot of places you are VERY likely to get thrown to the ground and have a boot in the back of your head while you are disarmed and taken to jail and loose your permit for some time.

    Really? Do you have any ferinstances of someone being thrown to the ground and getting a boot in the back of the head. A lot of people have related a lot of stories about OC who haven't been hassled at all, let alone "booted."

    Granted, some LEOs are unfamiliar with the law and may inappropriately confront an OCer, but what you allege is quite extreme.
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum59/2576-1.html

    OK, that's one ferinstance (albeit sans boot to the head). Shall I post dozens of links to OCers being flat ignored by LEOs?

    BTW, we are getting one side of the story. I'd be willing to bet the OCer did something more than he related. If he had calmly and immediately exited the premises, not making a scene with "nazi" remarks, got in his truck, and left, I'd bet money the cops wouldn't have even had time to show up.

    He hung around on the premises after being asked to leave.

    I'd like to see the police report and judge for myself what happened after hearing both sides.

    The fact remains that OC happens all the time in Alabama--without incident.

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    kingfish wrote:
    Last post in this thread. One CAN do anything they damn well please.

    Just because Montgomery County or Birmingham decided to let the good ol' boys carry does not mean that everywhere in the state will allow it. I fully understand the law and I fully understand it is legal. I was one of the co-founders of alabamagunrights.org (a now defunct gun rights site and forum.)

    Please do not tell people they CAN OC without a license and they will be just fine anywhere in AL. You would be giving some possibly very damaging and costly advice.
    Hasta la bye-bye.

    I never said "just fine." Please be careful in how you represent what I say. When I said "can" in the post we went back and forth on, I was replying to thing you were saying "can't" be done, which were unmitigatedly, unmistakeably, unredeemably FALSE. I am sorry that my having absolutely refuted your false statements made you feel the need to leave.

    It is absolutely legal for folks to OC in Alabama without a permit. If you check out the thread I started when I joined, you can explore the research I was assisted through to establish this FACT absolutely in my own mind. I was initially incredibly skeptical.

    Also, if you have read other posts by me, you will see that I routinely speak out against willy-nilly OC. As a matter of fact, I have specifically sought information on local department policy from both the sheriff and MPD and will not OC in Montgomery until I get a response from MPD. I already have a letter from the sheriff.

    We can make both the point that OC is legal and the point that some LEOs may operate out of ignorance by being factual and not arbitrarily throwing around the word "can't" for a whole variety of things that we CAN.

    As I said, Hasta la bye-bye.

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    eye95 wrote:
    OK, that's one ferinstance (albeit sans boot to the head). Shall I post dozens of links to OCers being flat ignored by LEOs?

    BTW, we are getting one side of the story. I'd be willing to bet the OCer did something more than he related. If he had calmly and immediately exited the premises, not making a scene with "nazi" remarks, got in his truck, and left, I'd bet money the cops wouldn't have even had time to show up.

    He hung around on the premises after being asked to leave.

    I'd like to see the police report and judge for myself what happened after hearing both sides.

    The fact remains that OC happens all the time in Alabama--without incident.
    Wow, you read all 13 pages and know all the background that quick. Very impressive. Both sides of the story are on those pages as well as other posts.

    I don't doubt OC is practiced where it is allowed and by those the local LEO allows but you absolutely would be false to say that carry in all counties in AL is allowed.

    Why don't you go OC into a Sheriffs department or a grade school in Auburn or Huntsville and let us know what happens....Both legal by the way.

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    Welcome back. I thought you had left!

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    eye95 wrote:
    Welcome back. I thought you had left!
    I feel that is pretty irresponsible when people say it is perfectly fine to OC anywhere in AL without a permit which is what you are saying when you say you "CAN".

    You might do well to learn the Mathis case and even contact him if he is still around the forums...vmathis12019

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    kingfish wrote:
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    Welcome back. I thought you had left!
    I feel that is pretty irresponsible when people say it is perfectly fine to OC anywhere in AL without a permit which is what you are saying when you say you "CAN".

    You might do well to learn the Mathis case and even contact him if he is still around the forums...vmathis12019
    Once again, the only person who has used the word "fine" in this thread is you. When I have said can it has specifically in response to your having incorrectly said can't.

    So, I take it you changed your mind about leaving?

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    The whole idea of these forums and the AL OC is to make people aware of their rights. And the OC credo works in AL like any place else "A right unexercised is a right denied!" We must show law enforcement that we are serious about the right to OC and we continue to OC despite their threats to the contrary.

    But, do not go into these skirmishes unarmed without the legal facts. You can print out a tri-fold brochure that lists the AL state laws and court rulings declaring the legal OC in our state. Once you get harassed for OC, simply state that you are carrying legally according to the recent 2A ruling by the Supreme Court, and Alabama Constitution, Alabama state law and then hand them the pamphlet with those words, as well as the court rulings were others have been arrested for open carry and found not guilty.

    The tri-fold brochure can be found at: http://alabamagunrights.org. Click on the "Tri-fold Summary(pdf)". Print that, make all the copies you want and carry it with you whenever you OC. If the cops harass you, simply hand them a copy. Let them know that you know your rights and will use that pamphlet in court , with those court rulings, should they arrest you. Be sure to get their names and badge numbers, as well.
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    We are almost all aware of the tri-fold summary. It is regularly pointed out to newcomers. We handed them out yesterday at the OC blood drive.

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    Glad to hear it and thanks for the info.
    Check out my home page @ www.alabamaopencarry.com and Carry On!

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