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    How come a majority of 'shootings' involve illegal things? :?
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    Note to self:

    If I'm going to grow "medical marijuana", install secure doors and windows, and lock them.
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    gogodawgs wrote:
    How come a majority of 'shootings' involve illegal things? :?
    Personally I think MJ should be legal. I'm not sure what constitutional basis they have for making it illegal. Anyway, I'm glad the homeowner is still alive.
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    gsx1138 wrote:
    gogodawgs wrote:
    How come a majority of 'shootings' involve illegal things? :?
    Personally I think MJ should be legal. I'm not sure what constitutional basis they have for making it illegal. Anyway, I'm glad the homeowner is still alive.
    +1 Legalize it and tax it. Deficit be gone.
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    It would also get rid of all the pot sellers on the metro bus.

    Legalize it and make it cheaper than what they sell for, and they won't make any money from selling it.

    Huh...but then they would move on to bigger things...


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    Poosharker wrote:
    It would also get rid of all the pot sellers on the metro bus.

    Legalize it and make it cheaper than what they sell for, and they won't make any money from selling it.

    Huh...but then they would move on to bigger things...
    Hey, they could get business licenses and sell it legally, and pay even more taxes into the system... and have a legitimate job!

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    What they should do is legalize it but be stricter about DUI. You legalize MJ then it drives costs down--yes, dealers will just sling harder drugs but they are selling those anyhow.



    We should pass a law something to the effect of the bumper sticker on the back of my truck:

    "Save a child...shoot a drug dealer"

    An officer the pulled me over the other night *didn't receive a ticket* said that he thinks the sticker is great.
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    Did he pull you over to tell you that?

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    Django wrote:
    Did he pull you over to tell you that?
    No....driving down the street at 10 in the vening with my front lights out and flashers on. My headlights went out for some reason. He pulled me over 20 ft. from my house lol.
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    That Steve Sarich is kind of a nut. Lots of allegations about his behavior over the last few years (i.e. FBI snitch, amateur porn producer, sexual harassment, intimidation, not having a business license, et cetera). He's also gifted at 'shameless self-promotion,' which isn't inherently bad but can make one a target.

    He does indeed make and publish amateur soft core porn photography, and he has indeed skated on local and Federal charges.

    To state the obvious, if you're going to be involved in a quasi legal activity centered around a physical item that is valuable and hard to trace... discretion is vital. Shameless self promotion and discretion are naturally at odds with each other. It wouldbe really smart to NOT operateyour business fromyour residence where you grow MMJ. Instead rent a office, and keep your private life separate... i.e. unpublished phone number, do not let people know your home address, etc. Keep your private life, and activist life, as separate as possible.

    Obviously it sounds like a necessary use of firearms in self defense. It also sounds like a modicum of common sense would have prevented this situation, or at least minimized the chances of it occurring.

    Also, imho, the guy should keep his mouth shut about the shooting. Talking to reporters and posting youtube videos is just asking for trouble, no matter how righteous your actions were. Hiring a lawyer, following the lawyers advice, and letting the lawyer communicate to the police and media is simply the smart and reasonable thing to do.

    Regardless of whether or not Steve is kind of a dirt bag, my prayers still go out to him. Every person has the inalienable right to self defense... anda self defense shooting is a very hard thing to deal with. I hope he recovers physically and mentally, and doesn't face charges for defending himself in what seems like a clear cut case of home invasion.
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    Dave_pro2a wrote:
    That Steve Sarich is kind of a nut. Lots of allegations about his behavior over the last few years (i.e. FBI snitch, amateur porn producer, sexual harassment, intimidation, not having a business license, et cetera). He's also gifted at 'shameless self-promotion,' which isn't inherently bad but can make one a target.

    He does indeed make and publish amateur soft core porn photography, and he has indeed skated on local and Federal charges.

    To state the obvious, if you're going to be involved in a quasi legal activity centered around a physical item that is valuable and hard to trace... discretion is vital. Shameless self promotion and discretion are naturally at odds with each other. It wouldbe really smart to NOT operateyour business fromyour residence where you grow MMJ. Instead rent a office, and keep your private life separate... i.e. unpublished phone number, do not let people know your home address, etc. Keep your private life, and activist life, as separate as possible.

    Obviously it sounds like a necessary use of firearms in self defense. It also sounds like a modicum of common sense would have prevented this situation, or at least minimized the chances of it occurring.

    Also, imho, the guy should keep his mouth shut about the shooting. Talking to reporters and posting youtube videos is just asking for trouble, no matter how righteous your actions were. Hiring a lawyer, following the lawyers advice, and letting the lawyer communicate to the police and media is simply the smart and reasonable thing to do.

    Regardless of whether or not Steve is kind of a dirt bag, my prayers still go out to him. Every person has the inalienable right to self defense... anda self defense shooting is a very hard thing to deal with. I hope he recovers physically and mentally, and doesn't face charges for defending himself in what seems like a clear cut case of home invasion.
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    The state law on medical marijuana has a lot of gray area, it's ill defined and doesn't address the issue of how distribution should go. Therefore, people have set up quasi-legal growing cooperatives where each person prescribed MJ can pool their plants and have one person grow it.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...DJx0wD9EG1HR00

    This is what the victim in this case was doing, the marijuana in question was not illegal, he did not get charged with any crime related to the medicine in question, so rest assured, this was a man defending his property. My question is why the police seized his property when it was not evidence in a crime, or how they got a search warrant to search the house of a home invasion victim. This state of quasi-legality of medical marijuana in WA is a problem that needs to be addressed, with laws governing dispensary procedures, like we have with every other medicine. Legal gray areas like this are fertile ground for tyranny. How would you feel if some people invaded your home, shot at your head, and the police response was to obtain a search warrant and search (and damage) your home, then take your property? Steve may be a dirtbag, but he is still entitled to defend his property, and the confiscated MJ was his property. I apologize if this post is too political, but the legal persecution of citizens who are not breaking any law is abhorrent to me, and this is what is happening here as "the law doesn't specifically prohibit patients from growing their marijuana together in one location to save money on lights or other expensive equipment."

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=69.51A

    This attitude of law enforcement has a lot to do with the erosion of our rights, and a lot to do with our right to openly carry firearms. What is not specifically illegal is legal, right OCer's?

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    I would imagine that the shooting occuring in the home would make the home a crime sceneand anything within the house within plain view would fall under the "plain view doctrine." If that's the case, until they sort out the who, what, when, where, why they have a right to confiscate as part of an investigation but at the end of the investigationthe property confiscated must be returned. The MJ was probably taken as evidence to use again the individuals who actually committed a crime....well the surviving one's.

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    I would imagine that the shooting occuring in the home would make the home a crime sceneand anything within the house within plain view would fall under the "plain view doctrine." If that's the case, until they sort out the who, what, when, where, why they have a right to confiscate as part of an investigation but at the end of the investigationthe property confiscated must be returned. The MJ was probably taken as evidence to use again the individuals who actually committed a crime....well the surviving one's.

    That. Active crime scene. Also, you have a potentially illegal substance being grown. Until it's legality is verified, I'm sure it won't remain in his home. Makes perfect sense to me.

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    Norman wrote:
    Also, you have a potentially illegal substance being grown. Until it's legality is verified, I'm sure it won't remain in his home. Makes perfect sense to me.
    Don't you get some kind of paperwork allowing you to grow the MM? Otherwise they could bust you any time and force you to go through the process. Much like carrying a concealed weapon, if you have the paperwork on you they have no right to confiscate your gun while they investigate.

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    I would just like to point out that we are arguing the legality of what the man was doing without analyzing the self defense situation.

    He saw a man with a shotgun who was in his house and was willing to kill him and he fired only in response to an attempt to kill him, almost too late.

    Second, his automatic jammed. Was it his stance? His hold? his ammo? His magazine feed lips? The recoil spring?

    Who knows.

    Another argument for a Wheelgun.

    By the way, I am collecting defense stories where an automatic jams at the moment of truth, most are hair raising. Of course, this does not include the stories where the defender does not live through the experience, those are merely classed as "shootings".





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    I predict charges will be filed against Steve Sarich.

    And what the guy has been saying to the media, if accurate, could come back to haunt him (for both the shooting and the pot).
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    Wheelgunner wrote:
    I would just like to point out that we are arguing the legality of what the man was doing without analyzing the self defense situation.

    He saw a man with a shotgun who was in his house and was willing to kill him and he fired only in response to an attempt to kill him, almost too late.

    Second, his automatic jammed. Was it his stance? His hold? his ammo? His magazine feed lips? The recoil spring?

    Who knows.

    Another argument for a Wheelgun.

    By the way, I am collecting defense stories where an automatic jams at the moment of truth, most are hair raising. Of course, this does not include the stories where the defender does not live through the experience, those are merely classed as "shootings".




    The police, a DA/prosecuting attorney, a judge or jury couldseeit differently than just "a man with a shotgun" in the home.

    Yes the homeowner shot at a person who had a shotgun... but he then (it appears) at a later time he shot an unarmed person who was outside his home, through a closed window. That could cause a problem. Sure we don't have a duty to retreat in WA, but we also don't have a castle doctrine and that means it could come down to the opinion of a judge or jury.

    He also initially went to investigate the suspected burglary unarmed, discovered something was amiss, went back and got his firearm, and then went to confront the burglar That could cause a problem. The fact he leftand returned implies he could have safely let and remained gone (exited the home from the bedroom). Yes we have no duty to retreat... but... ya know... an anti-gun DA...

    And at least one MSM source is reporting that there are time discrepancies between when the shooting took place and when the homeowner dialed 911. About 45+- min iirc. They tried to blame daylight savings, but it was not close to a even 60 min discrepancy.

    The semi-auto handgun that jammed was a .22. It is a BIG stretch to judge all semi-auto handguns by the reliability of a rim-fire. A Glock, Sig, Ruger, Watlher, et ceterain 9mm or .45 all would likely operated fine. Really I propose that any semi-auto of a proven design,from a reputable manufacture, using a proven center fire round, would have been reliable.

    He also had several hundred MMJ plant above the legal maximum. If charged he can mount a positive defense, but the fact is he was above the amount that the government and police accept as the max. The police could decide to charge him and let the DA/judge/jury sort it out.

    He also has threatened to sue the sheriffs department during multiple interviews. Probably a really, really bad idea (ok it's surely a bad idea). It's just not smart to be belligerent, grandstanding, needling, etc, toward the police while charges might be pending. That could influence the police or DA about whether charges should be filed ‚Äď imho.

    Time will tell about this event. About the only thing sure thing is that a rim-fire isn't the best SD choice.
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    killchain wrote:
    Poosharker wrote:
    It would also get rid of all the pot sellers on the metro bus.

    Legalize it and make it cheaper than what they sell for, and they won't make any money from selling it.

    Huh...but then they would move on to bigger things...
    Hey, they could get business licenses and sell it legally, and pay even more taxes into the system... and have a legitimate job!

    ...Just saying.
    As long as they dont drug test for a job to sell dope. :shock:
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    Dave_pro2a wrote:
    Wheelgunner wrote:
    I would just like to point out that we are arguing the legality of what the man was doing without analyzing the self defense situation.

    He saw a man with a shotgun who was in his house and was willing to kill him and he fired only in response to an attempt to kill him, almost too late.

    Second, his automatic jammed. Was it his stance? His hold? his ammo? His magazine feed lips? The recoil spring?

    Who knows.

    Another argument for¬* a Wheelgun.

    By the way, I am collecting defense stories where an automatic jams at the moment of truth, most are hair raising. Of course, this does not include the stories where the defender does not live through the experience, those are merely classed as "shootings".




    The police, a DA/prosecuting attorney, a judge or jury could¬*see¬*it differently than just "a man with a shotgun" in the home.¬*

    Yes the homeowner shot at a person who had a shotgun... but he then (it appears) at a later time he shot an unarmed person who was outside his home, through a closed window.¬*¬* That could cause a problem.¬* Sure we don't have a duty to retreat in WA, but we also don't have a castle doctrine and that means it could come down to the opinion of a judge or jury.

    He also initially went to investigate the suspected burglary unarmed, discovered something was amiss, went back and got his firearm, and then went to confront the burglar¬* That could cause a problem.¬* The fact he left¬*and returned implies he could have safely let and remained gone (exited the home from the bedroom).¬* Yes we have no duty to retreat... but... ya know... an anti-gun DA...¬*

    And at least one MSM source is reporting that there are time discrepancies between when the shooting took place and when the homeowner dialed 911.¬* About 45+- min iirc.¬* They tried to blame daylight savings, but it was not close to a even 60 min discrepancy.

    The semi-auto handgun that jammed was a .22.¬* It is a BIG stretch to judge all semi-auto handguns by the reliability of a rim-fire.¬* A Glock, Sig, Ruger, Watlher, et cetera¬*in 9mm or .45 all would likely operated fine.¬* Really I propose that any semi-auto of a proven design,¬*from a reputable manufacture, using a proven center fire round, would have been reliable.

    He also had several hundred MMJ plant above the legal maximum. If charged he can mount a positive defense, but the fact is he was above the amount that the government and police accept as the max.¬* The police could decide to charge him and let the DA/judge/jury sort it out.

    He also has threatened to sue the sheriffs department during multiple interviews.¬* Probably a really, really bad idea (ok it's surely a bad idea).¬* It's just not smart to be belligerent, grandstanding, needling, etc, toward the police while charges might be pending.¬* That could influence the police or DA about whether charges should be filed ‚Äď imho.

    Time will tell about this event.¬* About the only thing sure thing is that a rim-fire isn't the best SD choice.
    Please...before you post, read all of the numerous accurate accountings in the press of how this shooting went down. You are posting totally inaccurate information, intentionally or unintentionally, that attempts to make me look like I might not be telling the truth about the timeline. Let me assure you that I am NOT a suspect in any way in this shooting and the timeline is completely accurate.

    You don't have to "agree" with medical marijuana, but you will certainly find out that I was within my legal limits. If you'd like to place a little wager on whether or not I'll be charged on either the shooting or the marijuana, I suppose we can start a betting pool here....but you won't win.

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