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    I really want one of these!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

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    Neo wrote:
    I really want one of these!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
    Hidden in PLAIN SITE is still hidden. People have been charged with concealing a NAA gun because it is "hidden" from common observation right in the belt buckle. You and I might know it is a gun.. but the "reasonable man" sees it as a big ass "weird looking" belt buckle.
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    The "North Carolina Attorney General Firearms Law Handbook" specifically addresses the issue of small guns carried in a belt buckle. Under the NC AG's interpretation of the law, such a gun would be considered "concealed" even if it was out in "plain sight". Here, "concealed" means it is 1) in plain sight and 2) is easily discernible as a real firearm...

    I can't speak for other states though, but I believe VA, WV, and PA have similar interpretations...
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    Dreamer wrote:
    I can't speak for other states though, but I believe VA, WV, and PA have similar interpretations...
    http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...Concealed.shtm

    A weapon shall be deemed to be hidden from common observation when it is observable but is of such deceptive appearance as to disguise the weapon's true nature.
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    I can see where it would fall under some of the same laws as shotgun walking canes and such. Still, I see it as distinctly different from something like the H&K MP5K "operational briefcase"...but that's just the engineer in me.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9154074736417#

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    Neo wrote:
    I really want one of these!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

    Too Cool!!!!

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    pretty.
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    In Virginia a CHP would be required due to its deceptive nature even if OCd.

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    Neo wrote:
    I really want one of these!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s
    aside from being two years old, the man states, "this isn't something we are going to produce."
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    So, basically, as long as you can tell it's a gun and not something else, it's OK to OC?

    How about an NAA Mini-Revolver with a holster grip: http://www.naaminis.com/magnum.html?? Clipped on the outside of the pocket, it's OC?

    Edit: Never mind... found another thread that discusses these little fellas. I have a friend coming up from Florida for the 2A March, and he wanted to know if his NAA with a holster grip would be kosher to OC in a restaurant. I'm thinking the answer is no...

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    i have to get one! it'll go great with my magpul themed ar.

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    hows this? its carried where a belt buckle would normally be,,
    but it doesnt look like anything, but a gun!!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

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    Ok, Ok, I just remembered the ultimate "concealed-in-plain-sight" firearm: My friends, I give you the ZF1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxjnl1yuXk

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    1245A Defender wrote:
    hows this? its carried where a belt buckle would normally be,,
    but it doesnt look like anything, but a gun!!
    Is that thing for real? Is it an operational firearm? It's definitely unmistakable.

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    Neo wrote:
    Ok, Ok, I just remembered the ultimate "concealed-in-plain-sight" firearm:Â* My friends, I give you the ZF1:Â* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pxjnl1yuXk
    Now that thing is the ticket! I haven't seen that movie in forever.

    When are they gonna make that available for civilian use?

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    Neo wrote:
    1245A Defender wrote:
    hows this? its carried where a belt buckle would normally be,,
    but it doesnt look like anything, but a gun!!
    Is that thing for real? Is it an operational firearm? It's definitely unmistakable.
    ive recently pollished it up so there are shiny parts, and trimmed up the aluminum "holder"
    its a tanfoglio GT-380, i had it since 1977, works just fine!
    you could just glance past it, as decoration, but upon actualy looking its obviously a gun!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    1245A Defender wrote:
    Neo wrote:
    1245A Defender wrote:
    hows this? its carried where a belt buckle would normally be,,
    but it doesnt look like anything, but a gun!!
    Is that thing for real? Is it an operational firearm? It's definitely unmistakable.
    ive recently pollished it up so there are shiny parts, and trimmed up the aluminum "holder"
    its a tanfoglio GT-380, i had it since 1977, works just fine!
    you could just glance past it, as decoration, but upon actualy looking its obviously a gun!
    Does it hold up your pants too?

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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