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Corporate Policies

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Corporate Policies

Barnes & Noble

Original Message From: "Mary Ausman" <MJAusman@bn.com>

To: XXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Barnes & Noble

Thank you for your email.

While we are unable to discuss customer situations with an uninvolved third part, to answer your question, Barnes & Noble complies with the law and, except where prohibited by law, does not prohibit its customers from carrying handguns or other firearms in a Barnes & Noble store in accordance with the laws of the state in which a store is located.
Sincerely, Mary Ausman
Supervisor, Customer Retention
Barnes & Noble, Inc. 122 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10011
tel: (800) 422-7717 fax: (212)352.3660 [url]http://www.barnesandnobleinc.com[/url]


Bass Pro Shops

[/b]OpenCarry.org (OCDO) is pleased to announce that Bass Pro Inc. advised OCDO co-founder Mike Stollenwerk by telephone today that open carry of holstered handguns is as welcome as concealed carry provided all federal and state laws are followed.


After being contacted by OpenCarry.org (and apparently some of our almost 20,000 some thousand members) about sporadic inconsistent treatment of open carriers at some Bass Pro shops, Bass Pro’s Manager of Communications Larry L. Whiteley asked OCDO co-founder Mike Stollenwerk for more background information and some time to straighten things out.

Stollenwerk advised Whitely two weeks ago that open carry is legal in most states, usually without a permit, and that Sportsmens’ Warehouse and Cabelas have adopted clear corporate policies welcoming open carriers in their stores just as they do concealed carriers. Further Stollenwerk noted, it’s better to adopt one clear corporate policy than allow individual employees make up store rules or give legal advice to customers, i.e., the proverbial but well meaning, “psst, hey, you gotta cover that up, it’s the law” kind of thing, which can get gun owners in trouble for breaking the law and unlawfully concealing (e.g., in Wisconsin where no permit to conceal is even issued).

Well today Mr. Whiteley called and confirmed that Bass Pro’s policy is and “always was” to be to respect lawful customer gun carry, concealed or open, and that steps the following steps are being taken to ensure this policy is understood by all managers and employees, including production and distribution of training videos as well re-drafting of signage pertaining to guns.

OpenCarry.org is pleased that Bass Pro. joins both Sportsmens’ Warehouse and Cabelas in clarifying to OpenCarry.org that open carry is welcome in their stores as a matter of corporate policy.



Best Buy

from Customer Contact <CustomerContact@bestbuy.com>
to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
date Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
subject Best Buy Gun policy - XXXXXXXX
mailed-by
bestbuy.com

Best Buy strives to comply with all applicable law and statues. Best Buy also strives to provide a safe and comfortable shopping environment for all our customers. Best Buy does not ban guns at our retail locations. As a general rule, Best Buy does not post “no guns allowed” signs in our stores and we are not aware of any individual stores that might have posted such a sign.


Bob Evans


From:Garrett_Hajes@bobevans.com
Bob Evans - Reference # 536155

We certainly appreciate you taking the time to e-mail regarding our Bob Evans Restaurants. Bob Evans follows all local, state, and federal laws pertaining to firearms. Please contact your local Bob Evans restaurants for the specific regulations. Again, Mr. Spice, we appreciate your comments. We value your patronage and appreciate your interest in Bob Evans Farms Inc.


Cabelas

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.

Thank you for the recent email. I am very sorry for the confusion that took place at our retail location.
Our corporate office has taken action in regards to the below mentioned issue and here is what has been decided.
We have made the decision to comply with state laws in regards to open carry. We do not ask customers to check concealed or open carry weapons where the state has laws governing this situation. Our signs refer to firearms that are being returned or sold to Cabela's.

If you are still having problems please feel free to let us know

Thanks again

Becky
Lead Associate
Cabela's Retail Information
1-800-905-2731
retail.contactgroup<AT>
cabelas.com

Dicks Sporting Goods

Mr. XXXX,

Thank you for contacting Dick's Sporting Goods.

Our stores comply with state laws and, in some cases, where we are a tenant as an anchor store, those mall restrictions if any exists.

Jean Taggart,Manager of Customer Engagement



Home Depot

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.
[url]http://www.tennesseefirearms.com/law_regs/postedletters/homedepo.pdf[/url]

Customer care number. 1-800-430-3376
Contact link:
[url]http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentView?pn=Contact_Us&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053[/url]

Recieved this from Jerry. Seems to contradict the letter.

Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 06:13:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "HD Consumer Affairs" <
hdconsumeraffairs@homedepot.com>
To:
warchild44spcl@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Other Website Questions

Dear Jerry,
The Home Depot Customer Care is in receipt of your email. We appreciate you taking the time to email us. Our general policy is not to ban customers from carrying firearms on the Home Depot property in those states having a concealed firearm law, provided they are carrying the firearm in accordance with the applicable laws.
If the firearm is not concealed in accordance with the carrying permit (typically that means concealed and cannot be seen by members of the public), it is up to the manager based on personal comfort level to approach the individual directly and request them to leave the premises or to contact local law enforcement for purposes of having the individual removed. Thank you for contacting us.


Sincerely,
Ricky
Customer Care


LOWE'S

Dear XXXX XXXX:

Thank you for giving Lowe's the opportunity to respond to your concerns regarding our policy on firearms in our stores.

Lowe's currently does, and will continue to abide by federal, state and local laws regarding firearms, and we do not prohibit customers from carrying firearms into our stores.

Our first and foremost concern is for the safety of our customers, however; we take all comments and concerns from our customers seriously. We are considerate of all customers, and will remain neutral regarding the right to carry firearms. We will respect federal, state and local laws regarding this.

If Lowe's can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to call 1-866-284-8989 or email
execustservice@lowes.com. You may also contact us by mailing your correspondence to P.O. Box 1111, Mail Code CON8, North Wilkesboro, North Carolina 28659.

Thank you,
Julie Holloway
Lowe's Executive Customer Service


Sears/K-mart

(Big thanks to SCJeffro for this policy)

Subject: RE: Request for fire arm/weapon policy

Here is the response from Sears Senior Counsel:

Our corporate policy regarding customers who openly carry firearms on our store premises is that as long as the law of the state in which our store is located legally permits the open carrying of firearms (i.e. carrying a firearm on one's person in plain sight), customers will be permitted to openly carry firearms within our stores.

Emerald Sloan
Blue Ribbon Service Case Manager
Sears Holdings Corporation
Toll Free: 1-888-266-4043 extension 75
Email: BlueRibbonService2@searshc.com

Toys-R-US

Dear Mr. Ross:

Thank you for contacting Toys R Us regarding the recent tragedy in our store. Naturally, we want our guest's to be safe and feel confident while they are shopping. We adhere to the state law of whatever state a particular store is located in since the governing laws regarding gun control vary across the country. At this time I have not been notified that this will change though I can not guarantee that it won't in the future. I invite you to submit your concerns to our corporate head office for further attention.

Toys R Us
Attn: Gerald Storch (CEO)
1 Geoffrey Way
Wayne, NJ 07470

If you have any further questions or concerns please email us or contact our customer service line at 1-800-869-7787.

Sincerely,

Beverly McCann
Toys R Us Corporate Guest Relations Team


Walmart

Policy is to follow the law of the state the store located.
Customer Service1-800-Wal-Mart
(1-800-925-6278) Questions regarding a Wal-Mart Store issue
702 SW 8th Street
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Bentonville, Arkansas 72716-8611


Email contact link:
http://walmartstores.com/contactus/feedback.aspx

Audio of Walmart Policy: Walmart_Firearm_Policy_Call.mp3

White Castle

Dear Mr. Xxxxxxxx:
Thank you for your complimentary response concerning your recent
visit to our Lansing White Castle.
Please be advised that our policy regarding firearms is that we follow
all State and Federal guidelines/laws and we would expect our customers
to do the same.
We hope that you will continue to be a loyal White Castle Craver.
Thank you,

White Castle Management

 

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AbNo wrote:
Nice. This needs to be a sticky elsewhere. Why is it in the Michigan section? :D
It was part of the stickied Michigan Events Schedule Thread I had for upcoming OC Events, Previous OC Events and also OC Friendly Places By County. Mike went through some sub-forums a while back to unstickie threads thinking it would help the site to function better. :X
 

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Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?
 

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BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
 

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sohighlyunlikely wrote:
I just got walked out of a Cabela's this weekfor OC. Here in Missouri. I called cooperate and got the run around. They say they will be recheck what the policies are and calling me back. You can see the video here.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum33/42290.html

Doc

sadly many managers or employees dont know they're firearms policy,to most of them OC is a new thing.

but in your video you mentioned that the handgun was there for business,meaning it would be out of the holster,generally if your bringing your handgun in to fit it for a holster you are to unload and case it,and check it at the front desk...safety reasons
 

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While I realize that .pdf, or .doc, or .whatever files can be doctored and even created (forged) without the knowledge of the originating company, it would certainly seem helpful to have scans or otherwise formatted copies of these letters posted so business patron can carry and present same when confronted in respective stores.

Dan
 

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So, did anyone ever ask the staff at Meijer's? I just wonder cause I OC the South side Lansing Meijer store all the time. I've never even been questioned. Gawked at, yes, but that's about it.
 
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autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
Well I hope you are right! What you say makes sense:exclaim:
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
 

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HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Interesting!

A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.[1][/sup] There are many different forms of corporations, most of which are used to conduct business.
Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of its stakeholders: the management who operate the corporation; creditors who loan it goods, services or money; shareholders who invest their capital; the employees who contribute their labor; and the clients they serve.[2][/sup] In modern times, corporations have become an increasingly dominant part of economic life.
An important feature of corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders normally only stand to lose their investment, and employees will lose their jobs, but neither will be further liable for debts that remain owing to the corporation's creditors.
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights[3][/sup] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.[4][/sup] Just as they are "born" into existence through its members obtaining a certificate of incorporation, they can "die" when they lose money into insolvency. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offences, such as fraudmanslaughter.[5][/sup] against real individuals and the state, and
 
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HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Explain it. I know that a corp is a person as defined in the codified laws. But it does not enjoy civil liberties as enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

I misused the term "person" in my post. I was attempting to use everyday vernacular to explain a concept.

I am fully cognizant of the government's legal definitions of terms used in our everyday vernacular to mean something that does not resemble what we would expect . Example: "individual" or "Notice of Levy" in the tax code.

Your generalization is however misleading and while a fact it is not the truth.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Explain it. I know that a corp is a person as defined in the codified laws. But it does not enjoy civil liberties as enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

Your generalization is misleading and while a fact it is not the truth.
LOL.
 
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autosurgeon wrote:
HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Interesting!

A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.[1] There are many different forms of corporations, most of which are used to conduct business.
Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of its stakeholders: the management who operate the corporation; creditors who loan it goods, services or money; shareholders who invest their capital; the employees who contribute their labor; and the clients they serve.[2] In modern times, corporations have become an increasingly dominant part of economic life.
An important feature of corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders normally only stand to lose their investment, and employees will lose their jobs, but neither will be further liable for debts that remain owing to the corporation's creditors.
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights[3] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.[4] Just as they are "born" into existence through its members obtaining a certificate of incorporation, they can "die" when they lose money into insolvency. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offences, such as fraudmanslaughter.[5] against real individuals and the state, and
"Footnote 3 source: ^ e.g. South African Constitution Art.8, especially Art.(4)"
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Interesting!

A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.[1] There are many different forms of corporations, most of which are used to conduct business.
Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of its stakeholders: the management who operate the corporation; creditors who loan it goods, services or money; shareholders who invest their capital; the employees who contribute their labor; and the clients they serve.[2] In modern times, corporations have become an increasingly dominant part of economic life.
An important feature of corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders normally only stand to lose their investment, and employees will lose their jobs, but neither will be further liable for debts that remain owing to the corporation's creditors.
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights[3] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.[4] Just as they are "born" into existence through its members obtaining a certificate of incorporation, they can "die" when they lose money into insolvency. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offences, such as fraudmanslaughter.[5] against real individuals and the state, and
"Footnote 3 source: ^ e.g. South African Constitution Art.8, especially Art.(4)"
I still find it amazing that pro carry pople are buying the lie, that a Corporation who has "open to the Public" property has the right to limit your Constitutional rights. The ignorance is profound.

Not to mention those who think the Supreme court of the United States is the final word. WE ARE! WE THE PEOPLE! We have "unalienable" rights which can never be taken away nor given away nor surrendered.

The entire infrastructure of the United States is being sold off and unless we wake the f%$K up we will one day wake up with NO rights. I have said this before and 99% of the people in here are so willing to just pi$$ away their rights to some corporation.

Here is something you people need to read. The articles are documenting the fire sale of the United States infrastructure to FOREIGNERS! yes that's right in ten years you will always be on PRIVATE "corporate" Property even your own street is being sold.

Wake up! Quit being so gullible.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53639


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More at the site listed above...

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http://jonathanturley.org/2008/12/2...-off-airports-parks-and-zoos-to-make-budgets/

http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/01/highwaymen


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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/09/let-the-great-a/
Let the Great American Infrastructure Sell-Off Begin!
You know the economy’s in great shape when our elected leaders start handing over our highways, airports, bridges and tunnels over to the highest bidder.
That might be a bit simplistic, but on some level it’s accurate. States and cities, struggling with gargantuan budget deficits, are increasingly selling or leasing vital transportation infrastructure to private companies. Yes, it helps fill state coffers, but it’s a scary development nonetheless.
One of the biggest proposed deals is a plan to lease the 537-mile Pennsylvania Turnpike, the nation’s oldest major toll road, to a private investment group that includes Citigroup and the Spanish firm Abertis. The legislature votes on the deal next month; if it goes through, Abertis will pay $12.8 billion to run the turnpike for 75 years. That’s a big chunk of change.

If last year’s bridge collapse in Minneapolis made one thing clear, it’s our infrastructure is a mess. The American Society of Civil Engineers says it will cost $1.6 trillion to get things shipshape again. With many states grappling with growing budget deficits, no one expects to see the problem tackled anytime soon. Turning over our infrastructure to the free markets may be the best way to save it, and the Department of Transportation under President Bush has made no secret of its interest in doing just that.
With that in mind, leasing sounds like a great idea. States get a nice infusion of cash and wash their hands of pesky repairs and rebuilding, while the private sector steps in to do what it does best — make money. It’s a big win-win.

Read More http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/09/let-the-great-a/#ixzz0ljZteT5g


More at the link provided.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
HankT wrote:
CV67PAT wrote:
autosurgeon wrote:
BlueStarDad wrote:
Thanks for that good info on these businesses. On another note, does State Pre-emption override policies of a workplace i.e. Standard Operating Procedure that states "no firearms allowed on premises" (for employees).?

NO Private property rights overrule.
Private property rights of whom?

I believe that the constitution protects the rights of the people.

How does an entity that is not a person have rights?

Maybe this is the impetus for all of these corporations adopting state laws as their policy regarding firearm possession in their places of business.
A corporation is a person.
Interesting!

A corporation is an institution that is granted a charter recognizing it as a separate legal entity having its own privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.[1] There are many different forms of corporations, most of which are used to conduct business.
Corporations exist as a product of corporate law, and their rules balance the interests of its stakeholders: the management who operate the corporation; creditors who loan it goods, services or money; shareholders who invest their capital; the employees who contribute their labor; and the clients they serve.[2] In modern times, corporations have become an increasingly dominant part of economic life.
An important feature of corporation is limited liability. If a corporation fails, shareholders normally only stand to lose their investment, and employees will lose their jobs, but neither will be further liable for debts that remain owing to the corporation's creditors.
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights[3] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.[4] Just as they are "born" into existence through its members obtaining a certificate of incorporation, they can "die" when they lose money into insolvency. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offences, such as fraudmanslaughter.[5] against real individuals and the state, and
"Footnote 3 source: ^ e.g. South African Constitution Art.8, especially Art.(4)"
Corporations have NO "private Property" rights. yes I said just that. Get an old Law Dictionary and you will see a Corporation is described as an "entity CREATED IN FICTION"
It is not a real person there are NO holders of PRIVATE assets nor property, it is described as a PUBLIC Operation or company. Yes when you go or become a Corporation you are NO longer the Owner you are an employee. A CEO is ONLY an employee! Meaning you are NO longer the property owner, just another employee. The Constitutional rights are for "persons" and a "person" is a natural born human being not a entity created in fiction.

Sound complicated? It really isn't.

Frankly the ONLY business man who can legally claim a property right must own the business and "Property"
Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is unalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever.
In common legal use, allodial title is used to distinguish absolute ownership of land by individuals from feudal ownership, where property ownership is dependent on relationship to a lord or the sovereign. Webster's first dictionary (1825 ed) says allodium is "land which is absolute property of the owner, real estate held in absolute independence, without being subject to any rent, service, or acknowledgement to a superior. It is thus opposed to feud."
True allodial title is rare, with most property ownership in the common law world—primarily, the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the Republic of Ireland—described more properly as being in fee simple. In particular, land is said to be "held of the Crown" in England and Wales and the Commonwealth realms. In England, there is no allodial land, all land being held of the Crown; even in the United States most lands are not allodial, as evidenced by the existence of property taxes. Some of the Commonwealth realms (particularly Australia) recognise native title, a form of allodial title that does not originate from a Crown grant.
I am amazed that people can't understand this.

Look at your deed to your home, you are NOT the owner! You are listed as the Tenant!

This slippery slope of arguing your rights away to some fictional entity is dangerous and leaves you as a SERF! Or slave. You are a PERSON and have the Unalienable right to carry.

Quit arguing away your and my rights!

You people might wish to be property "citizen" of a King, but I am NOT and refuse to be. I have carried everywhere and will carry everywhere, because I know I am a FREE man not someones property.

I suggest a serious study of what I have listed here and you people might wake up one day as FREED men once again.
 
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Bailenforcer wrote:
"Look at your deed to your home, you are NOT the owner! You are listed as the Tenant! "
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Only the holder of a "Land Patent" owns his property.

Furthermore, the holder of a land patent pays no property taxes whatsoever.
 

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CV67PAT wrote:
Bailenforcer wrote:
"Look at your deed to your home, you are NOT the owner! You are listed as the Tenant! "
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Only the holder of a "Land Patent" owns his property.

Furthermore, the holder of a land patent pays no property taxes whatsoever.
I have been researching this and have come to the same conclusions.. Private property rights are largely fictitious in regards to firearm carry.
 
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