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    I typically OC with Galco OWB holsters. I think they're of good quality, I like thumb break retention, and most of all I think they just look classy. I'm basically a form follows function type of guy, but when I OC I try to look tidy and clean cut.
    However, there are many nice leather IWB holsters out there, and the IWB look can also be quite tidy looking (VA tuck?)

    The woman in the pic looks pretty respectable to me. My questions are: All else being equal, have you received differing reactions from citizens or police when OCing OWB or IWB? Do you think non-OCers are more likely to think 'criminal' when seeing a gun IWB?

    I'm not trying to make a point that OCers should carry or dress a particular way as I oppose the idea of an OC dress code. I'm just curious about your experiences.
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    I see nothing wrong with using an IWB holster for OC, if that's what you want to do, as long as you're going to be tucking your shirt in anyway. If you AREN'T going to be tucking yiur shirt in you'll probably and up CCing more times than not, so be sure you have a permit/license before doing so.

    Other than that it's a matter of personal preference.
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    IWB > Tacticool thigh rig
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    I OC quite often with a IWB Don Hume holster. I do like the fact that it holds the weapon tighter to my side than my Serpa. Sometimes with the Serpa, it gets in the way while doing things.

    That being said I do have a CPL, and there was an issue with a OC'er carrying IWB and was cited for it. It didn't go to court (plea bargin) so it's still fuzzy in Michigan if IWB is concidered OC or CC.
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    I personally prefer the IWB holster for OC and CC. I have had my VA CHP for over a year now, and when I first got it, I CC'd everywhere except restaurants that served alcohol (we don't have that law yet, hopefully after July 1, 2010), however, I have started to OC the majority of the time in hopes of desensitizing the sheeple. I like the IWB because it allows me to switch between OC and CC merely by tucking or untucking my shirt. I am not sure if one "looks" better than the other, I personally like the weapon being closer to me.

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    catass wrote:
    IWB > Tacticool thigh rig
    Tacticool thigh rig > IWB for OC when it's cold.

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    IWB's look just fine for any style of clothing that can accept them. The only time IWB looks foolishly "gangsta" or "thuggish" (which is all poppycock terminologyanyway) is when it is worn directly over the croch area. I don't much like that look.

    IWB equals fine and if you ever want to conceal, it is easier than with a full blown belt or paddle holster.

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    Ah, IWB, aka "The Virginia Tuck", as I'm sure someone is about to refer to it.

    I'd consider it, but I don't have an IWB holster of any kind.
    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    NightOwl wrote:
    catass wrote:
    IWB > Tacticool thigh rig
    Tacticool thigh rig > IWB for OC when it's cold.
    CC > *

    You just knew I was going to go there ;-)
    Quote Originally Posted by Open Carry.org Member View Post
    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    My first holster was an IWB.

    Then I realized I was fat and it wasn't that comfortable. :-)

    I use it rarely but don't think it looks thuggish in any way.

    I prefer OC in a OWB holster and if I am going to CC it is in one of my pockets (coat or pants).

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    Everyone here knows that the laws regarding OC in most states have nothing to do with the configuration of the holster, but rather with whether or not a gun is "easily idenfiable and plainly visible as a gun". We can all discuss this ad nauseum, and will come to pretty much the same conclusion--OC using an IWB holster is OK, legal, and can be (in some situations) more practical than OWB carry...

    Personally, i think a nicely-designed IWB holster can look classy, especially if you are dressed up a little (like in slacks and a shirt and tie). I don't think it looks particularly 'thuggish", but when you are "dressed down" (like in jeans and a t-shirt) it can look a bit "too casual" with regards to carrying a gun--especially a full-sized 1911 like I carry.

    We need to remember that the people we need to consider when it comes to "appearance" are NOT other OCers or knowledgeable gun owners--it's the people who dont know anything about guns and holsters and carry in general that we need to be mindful of. THOSE people are going to be the ones frantically dialing 911 on their cellphones when they see a big grip sticking out of your pants. Carrying in a configuration that triggers their programmed negative response is just sort of courting a bad situation, IMO. It sucks that we have to think about that, but the majority of the public HAS been VERY successfully programmed to associate IWB carry with criminals and thugs.

    HOWEVER, the fact remains that the people who are going to call the cops about "some guy with a gun in his waistband" are NOT well-educated OC proponents. They are brainwashed anti's who's only exposure to people carrying a firearm inside the waistband are the thugs and criminals they see on COPS and in the movies. These types of people see the grip of a handgun poking out of your waistband and they immediately are going to thing "THUG", or that you are goob trying VERY unsuccessfully to carry concealed.

    I carry OC and CC, depending on the weather, and the situation. I use my Serpa almost ALL the time, unless I want to keep a REALLY slim and discrete profile (or I'm not wearing a bulky jacket). When I want to keep a low profile, I use an older Galco IWB, and it works great. But I usually only use the IWB for CC. I've never used it for OC, because I just don't have the time or the inclination to deal with some brainwashed soccer mom, or some statute-twisting LEO, trying to explain why my holster--which was DESIGNED FOR CONCEALED CARRY--was being worn so that my gun was visible. Unless I'm dressed up in a suite, and perhaps take off my jacket at dinner or something, I just don't see much need to carry IWB, but in an OC configuration. I spent good money on a Serpa for OC, and it works WAY better for that than ANY IWB holster ever would...

    In for a penny, in for a pound. If you're going to OC, get an OC-appropriate holster. There are plenty of OWB holsters that are high, tight, and slim-profile. Get a Galco FLETCH or Side Snap Scabbard or a Bianchi or one of the new Blackhawk Leather units...

    But of course, that is just my opinion. YMMV...
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    AbNo wrote:
    Ah, IWB, aka "The Virginia Tuck", as I'm sure someone is about to refer to it.

    I'd consider it, but I don't have an IWB holster of any kind.
    I've been carrying for over 25 years this way, both concealed and open, and I don't use a holster. I carry it on the opposite side. Sounds strange until you try it. Sure beats a holster on the strong side while driving.

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    WTF? VA tuck all day...
    Never even considered them different except that I find OWB more comfortable

    @HardChrome: Do you have a clip on your gun, wear your belt really tight or what?
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    t33j wrote:
    @HardChrome: Do you have a clip on your gun, wear your belt really tight or what?
    My pants and belt fit pretty tightly and I found that my pistol fits securely just behind my left hip. It's a crossdraw to get to it but it's so much more comfortable and convenient to any holster I've ever had. I'll sometimes wear my competition holster (I don't shoot competition) but I carry this way 90% of the time.

    I carry an NF Hi-Power which has a narrow slide and frame but a double stack mag so it never drops and never falls out.

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    HardChrome wrote:
    t33j wrote:
    @HardChrome: Do you have a clip on your gun, wear your belt really tight or what?
    My pants and belt fit pretty tightly and I found that my pistol fits securely just behind my left hip. It's a crossdraw to get to it but it's so much more comfortable and convenient to any holster I've ever had. I'll sometimes wear my competition holster (I don't shoot competition) but I carry this way 90% of the time.

    I carry an NF Hi-Power which has a narrow slide and frame but a double stack mag so it never drops and never falls out.
    Cool. I know a guy that lives in Va Beach who carries a 1911 with a grip clip ( http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct...campaign=10613 ). He has to watch out for rust but that might be more due to the salt.
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    "Do you think non-OCers are more likely to think 'criminal' when seeing a gun IWB?" -- petrophase

    No, they'd probably think "cop."

    IMO, neither mode of carry is "thuggish."

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    cloudcroft wrote:
    "Do you think non-OCers are more likely to think 'criminal' when seeing a gun IWB?" -- petrophase

    No, they'd probably think "cop."

    IMO, neither mode of carry is "thuggish."

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    A cop? I've never seen a cop carry IWB on duty. When I lived in Baltimore City I did see self-described thugs try to walk with guns shoved down their pants.

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    It's not what YOU think, it's what the average (cluless) person thinks: Cop.

    Until people get used to seeing LOTS of us carying, they will continue to think "he/she must be a cop" as the nuances of IWB vs. OWB are presently lost on them (or even what IWB/OWB means).

    As for the thugs of which you speak, how can they carry a gun like that while their pants are down around their knees showing their ass in sissy-looking underwear? Do they carry to protect themselves from their tricks?



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    I am going to get a IWB for my Glock soon. Nothing wrong with them at all.
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    Glock34 wrote:
    I am going to get a IWB for my Glock soon. Nothing wrong with them at all.
    That's how I carry my glock 36. I do carry the 17 in a serpa though.


















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    Pretty much IWB will get a stare, because it doesn't look "normal." PEople who carry SERPA holsters for Glocks or similar guns, get less attention because they look like cop guns. Someone with a revolver tucked into their back pocket might get more MWAG calls.

    I never get MWAG (that I know of) anymore, especially when wearing my instructor jacket

    Seriously, look professional, less problems. Your choice however no?

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    I ride a motorcycle year round; it is my only transportation (after the divorce!). What I have been trying to discover is weather and IWB or shoulder carry would be best; for both security of the wpn as well as ability to access the wpn when needed.

    While I am totally against ALL laws regulating the carrying of wpns, either OC oir CC, I have finally decided to get a CHL.

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    One_Shot wrote:
    I ride a motorcycle year round; it is my only transportation (after the divorce!). What I have been trying to discover is weather and IWB or shoulder carry would be best; for both security of the wpn as well as ability to access the wpn when needed.

    While I am totally against ALL laws regulating the carrying of wpns, either OC oir CC, I have finally decided to get a CHL.
    Probably would do better to post that question in the 'Holsters' forum. Good luck!

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    Thank you, your right.

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    One_Shot wrote:
    I ride a motorcycle year round; it is my only transportation (after the divorce!).┬* What I have been trying to discover is weather and IWB or shoulder carry would be best; for both security of the wpn as well as ability to access the wpn when needed.┬*

    While I am totally against ALL laws regulating the carrying of wpns, either OC oir CC, I have finally decided to get a CHL.┬*
    If you wear your pants securely, an IWB should be secure enough to hold your gun but when I ride my motorcycle, I am typically pretty paranoid about losing stuff and I've gone over hard bumps that if I lost something I probably wouldn't notice until I checked for it. I ride most of my gear all the time if not all gear all of the time so all that stuff can mask your feeling of an IWB'd gun in your pants. Hell, even if you notice it slipped out right away, it's probably too late or too dangerous to try and reach for it and secure it. Best to carry it in a secure fashion, whether that would be an obviously secure retention belt or tight paddle holster or a shoulder holster. Whatever works for you.

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