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Tea Party & 2nd Amendment

Grapeshot

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Make would-be Tea Party leaders prove they support Second Amendment

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m3d16-Make-wouldbe-Tea-Party-leaders-prove-they-support-Second-Amendment?cid=examiner-email

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Movement must include no compromise on right
to keep and bear arms. (AP Photo/Jeff Curry)

Yata hey
 

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Grapeshot wrote:
Make would-be Tea Party leaders prove they support Second Amendment

http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m3d16-Make-wouldbe-Tea-Party-leaders-prove-they-support-Second-Amendment?cid=examiner-email

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Movement must include no compromise on right
to keep and bear arms. (AP Photo/Jeff Curry)

Yata hey
http://news.oldva.org/?p=1585

http://news.oldva.org/?p=1570

http://news.oldva.org/?p=1388

and the big one
Peninsula Patriots tell gun owners to cover up http://news.oldva.org/?p=1644
 

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wylde007 wrote:
peter nap wrote:
Peninsula Patriots tell gun owners to cover up
Then they have no right to commandeer the moniker of "Patriot".
Agreed! If it were only the PP's, I'd cut the Tea Party some slack. Read the stories. They seem to always have their events in a gun unfriendly place.

Calling the Tea Party people Patriots or Constitutionalists is like calling Green Peace, Sports Fishermen.

On lobby day there was some fool dressed up in Patriot attire, handing out Party stuff. Seemed offended when I politely declined.
 

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Why not allow the Tea Party to be just about the astronomical taxes we pay?
Why must every right-leaning (gun ownership/carry shouldn't be a Right-Wing issue anyways) group attempt to Co-opt the Tea Party.
This merely plays into the hands of those who love big-government, which will inevitably restrict/abolish our right to own/carry weapons.
We're all independent individuals with rights and brains, but the reason political parties and movements work is because they act with focus and in unison to achieve their objectives. If you want the Tea Party to die, keep making a huge deal out of each pet issue you have!
 

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ufcfanvt wrote:
Why not allow the Tea Party to be just about the astronomical taxes we pay?
Why must every right-leaning (gun ownership/carry shouldn't be a Right-Wing issue anyways) group attempt to Co-opt the Tea Party.
This merely plays into the hands of those who love big-government, which will inevitably restrict/abolish our right to own/carry weapons.
We're all independent individuals with rights and brains, but the reason political parties and movements work is because they act with focus and in unison to achieve their objectives. If you want the Tea Party to die, keep making a huge deal out of each pet issue you have!
That's a very intelligent and valid issue.

The answer is pretty simple. The Tea Party people want to appear pro 2end. The claim to be, they went to Lobby day and participated in pro gun events, they claim to want the Constitution to prevail and it ain't on the piece meal rack.

They can be whatever they want. I don't want them whizzing down my back and telling me it's raining though.

I'll add a Quote:
Kerry said, "I believe that the Constitution, our laws and our customs protect law-abiding American citizens' right to own firearms.

That's what you get with groups like the TP. A bunch of Kerrys
 

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ufcfanvt wrote:
Why not allow the Tea Party to be just about the astronomical taxes we pay?
Why must every right-leaning (gun ownership/carry shouldn't be a Right-Wing issue anyways) group attempt to Co-opt the Tea Party.
This merely plays into the hands of those who love big-government, which will inevitably restrict/abolish our right to own/carry weapons.
We're all independent individuals with rights and brains, but the reason political parties and movements work is because they act with focus and in unison to achieve their objectives. If you want the Tea Party to die, keep making a huge deal out of each pet issue you have!
That is insulting! :X

Why not make room for RKBA - unless you oppose that.

The Tea Party is NOT just about high taxes. It is more about big government and all that encompasses. The original Boston Tea Party was primarily complaining about the lack of representation. So too are we dissatisfied with the lack of honest representation in our government and the Tea Party.

The RKBA has individually, pointedly been denied participation in events in this area. It might be time to rethink this.

The 2nd Amendment is not simply my pet issue - it is THE reason this country is strong. When (if) we lose that right, the others will follow.

Yata hey
 

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For those that don't want to wade through the links, this is the official reply I got, knowing it would be published. Pay special attention to the highlighted section about why people OC.

Good Morning Don,
I will be happy to answer your question. As an organizer for the Peninsula Patriots, I have been to many meetings, rallies, Tea Parties, Etc, both listening to, and presenting, 2nd Amendment speeches to those attending the events. In virtually EVERY case, a member of the media is present, with photographers, to “catch”
those choosing to openly carry at the events. The story is then changed to make the story about the “GUN” and not our RIGHT to carry one. I carry a gun every day, and have had occasions to use it to protect myself, and others, from certain death. Never, however, have I felt the necessity to display it openly as a “badge of courage”, although I will fight to the death to defend my right, and yours, to do so.

The Peninsula Patriots is a young, and still fragile, conservative movement.. We have already lost a few members who are afraid that we are becoming too vocal about the need to be prepared to use firearms, if necessary, to protect our freedoms. An open display of “gun totin’ Patriots, not Rednecks”, is very unsettling to many Americans, and we can’t afford to alienate current, and potential, members at this crucial time in our movement.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions…
1. Knowing that you have the right to own and carry a weapon virtually anywhere throughout Virginia, WHY do you feel the need to brandish your weapons openly in a friendly, non-threatening, environment? Were you concerned that you were going to be attacked by some unknown alien forces while attending a Patriotic rally?
2. Several of those attending were actually making comical statements about one of your members who felt the need to not only openly carry a fully-loaded, semi-automatic weapon to a conservative rally, but also felt it necessary to carry multiple extra clips and other paraphernalia, just in case we came under a massive attack. Do you not realize that the legal, but inappropriate, “in your face” display of weaponry probably did your, and my, movement more harm than good?
3. To put this in a more logical perspective…Virtually every Virginian, with the exception of felons and nut cases, has the right to openly carry a weapon, so that part is no big deal. It is your license to carry a CONCEALED weapon that sets you apart from those who don’t possess a similar permit. That being said…You may have a fishing license, but do you feel compelled to carry your rod and reel to the movies? You have a license to drive a car, but do you feel it is necessary to park it next to you at church? I could go on and on.
Although I have spent many years in law enforcement internationally, both in counter-terrorism and counter-drug activities, I am also actively involved in marketing and public relations. Knowing the correct time and place to “show your wares”
is a key component in successfully “selling” your products, services and ideas. Presenting your members as “casual commandos”
in yesterday’s friendly, non-threatening setting was clearly “overkill”, and turned many potential members away from your worthy cause.

As a professional in the field of law enforcement I would like to give a little sage advice. Law enforcement agencies train their officers to pay close attention to anyone who feels compelled to openly brandish a loaded weapon in public. Those openly carrying are put in various categories and observed accordingly. 1st. Power trip – The need to present the appearance of power to overcome feelings of inadequacy. 2nd. Need for authority - All too often, those individuals openly carrying weapons wanted to be a police officer with the power, but not the responsibility, that goes with the job. They were rejected for various reasons, usually psychological, followed by obesity, at which point many of them applied for positions as deputy sheriffs, then private security officers…anything that would give them a feeling of power over others. Although I am not accusing any members of your group of fitting into that category, it is a profile observed by most agencies and officers.
Don, I am 100% behind you, and I applaud your continuing efforts to protect our 2nd Amendment rights. I am just trying to use years’
of experience to assist you in waging a just and Holy war against those who would quickly deprive us of our freedoms if given half a chance. HooRah. Keep up the great work you are doing for ALL Americans.

All the best,
Tom
 

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Peter,

Where do these guys (and others like them) immediately make the claim that to openly carry a firearm, visible for all to see in its holster is brandishing?

My walking around with a firearm in its holster carrying on with my normal daily routine is simply not threatening. If one perceives that as threatening, then perhaps one should check themselves for projection.
 

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darthmord wrote:
Peter,

Where do these guys (and others like them) immediately make the claim that to openly carry a firearm, visible for all to see in its holster is brandishing?

My walking around with a firearm in its holster carrying on with my normal daily routine is simply not threatening. If one perceives that as threatening, then perhaps one should check themselves for projection.
The same "Gun Laws For Idiots" book that told the Park Service carrying a rifle or shotgun in your hand is Brandishing.:lol:
 

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peter nap wrote:
For those that don't want to wade through the links, this is the official reply I got, knowing it would be published. Pay special attention to the highlighted section about why people OC.

....... openly carry at the events. ............. “badge of courage”................

WHY do you feel the need to brandish your weapons

...........
inappropriate........... I could go on and on.................. your members

as “casual commandos”............ clearly “overkill”


............. compelled to openly brandish a loaded weapon...........

overcome feelings of inadequacy............ wanted to be a police officer

.........…anything that would give them a feeling of power over others.


Tom
I rest my case.

Yata hey
 

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2nd. Need for authority
As opposed to the officer who didn't get marked during the vetting procedure who still has a need for authority and seeks out opportunity to impose such on others?
Ouch!

Yata hey
 

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Among all the other comments...

"a professional in the field of law enforcement" who has such a horrid misunderstanding of the definition of "brandishing", is quite disturbing, indeed.

He's either incompetent, or a liar, or a propagandist, none of which helps his case.

TFred

ETA: Doh! bohdi beat me to it, I type too slow... or preview too much! :)
 

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Although I am not accusing any members of your group of fitting into that category, it is a profile observed by most agencies and officers.
And... correcting this ill-conceived image which is based on bigotry and ignorance, is one of the core purposes of the Open Carry movement as a whole. Of all the possible replies, that is probably the most important thing to pass back to the author of that e-mail.

To whatever extent the author may or may not be correct about his assertion, fixing it is what OC is all about.

TFred
 

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To Get away from the PP...This is one of the Richmond area Tea parties at Baily's pub, which I got tossed out of for wearing a gun. He said "We are not anti gun, you just can't wear one here".

The person saying that was one of the organizers and was one of the TP people at Lobby Day.

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Disgusting that he would wear a shirt with Ben Franklin's lithograph AND the Gadsden flag behind him when one of the tipping points of the revolution was the confiscation of firearms.

Idiots.

They hijack symbols... "they" being groups with no knowledge or understanding of what the symbols REALLY MEAN (like those who commandeer and impugn the Confederate Flags)... and use them for purposes contrary to their original design, poisoning and diluting their history and heritage.

Heretics. Blasphemers. Traitors.
 

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peter nap wrote:
To Get away from the PP...This is one of the Richmond area Tea parties at Baily's pub, which I got tossed out of for wearing a gun. He said "We are not anti gun, you just can't wear one here".

The person saying that was one of the organizers and was one of the TP people at Lobby Day.

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I went shortly after you got the boot and I too got the boot.

That was the first and last Tea Party event I tried to attend thanks to that nonsense.
 
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