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    The City of Warren OC Awareness Bike Ride Through Warren and Picnic

    Bicycle ride to be more specific.
    Disclaimer: *OC Bike Ride for CPL holders, non-cpl holders ride at your own risk.*
    As everyone probably already knows Warren needs some improvement in OC awareness. This should be a fun way to do it.

    Where To Meet (Bike Ride): Start & Finish at Halmich Park
    Bike ride: Starts 10:30 Ends: Noon
    Where To Meet (Picnic: Park at Halmich Park
    Address: Halmich Park Warren, Michigan
    From Date: Sat, 05/15/2010 @ 11:00am
    Picnic Start Time: Noon
    To Date: Sat, 05/15/2010 @ 4:00pm
    Map: MAP
    Forum Link: Forum

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    Great news everyone, the Warren Police Department will be working with us to help make it a safe event. The bike route was changed to make the route safer and easier to police. Please show respect to them. Officers have been assigned for our benefit to escort our bike ride. We have requested an police officer to speak about encounters and address his concerns from him and his department and how we can make things better to help work together with them.

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    motorcycles or bicycles?

    some people may get confused.
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    BAD DATE

    April 13th is the 2AMarch in Lansing and the 19th is the 2AMarch in DC


    Most excellent idea though!

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    bicycles

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    Date fixed

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    hmm will have the wife whip up some some home made treats. mmmmm butterscotch fudge brownies etc etc

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    riding a bike wile oc'ing without cpl is a grey area according to many on the site. No different than oc'ing on a motorcycle.

    Both appear to be legal according to how i read the mcl, since the pistol is not IN the vehicle, but there has yet to be any case law on the particular issue.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (who will watch the watchmen?)

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    Do you think that A..........b....w/gum will have had his meeting with Commissioner Dwyer to identify Warren PD training shortcomings prior to this event?



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    Certainly anyone concerned about the "vehicular aspects" of a bicycle without a CPL could just meet at the picnic and CPL holders / non-concerned non-CPL holders could ride the bicycles.

    I would be remiss if I did not ask if we really want to convey the image that it is generally okay to do this if the law is unclear? I can envision good points on both sides of the fence, so let's hear 'em!
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    As it is a gray area, I would suggest that non-CPL's not carry while riding, this is my opinion and merely a suggestion as we're all Americans and can do as we wish though.

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    i used to be a factory sponsored bmx racer.

    ill be a maybe,depending on finances.

    will let ya know sooner or later. i did see 5/15 correct,so may?
    not a lawyer, dont take anything i say as legal advice.


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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    i used to be a factory sponsored bmx racer.

    ill be a maybe,depending on finances.

    will let ya know sooner or later. i did see 5/15 correct,so may?
    5/15 is the generally recognized date format for May 15th.

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    I'll try to make it. I am, after all, a bicycle geek.


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    LOL!!
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    That's his OC mobile in the background

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    FatboyCykes wrote:
    That's his OC mobile in the background
    Funny, it's not far off from his old one...
    "Fault always lies in the same place, my fine babies: with him weak enough to lay blame." - Cort

    Gun control is like trying to reduce Drunk Driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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    Right!?

    Lol.

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    I had a great idea at work today. I'm designing a cool shirt for the bike ride.. shouldnt be too expensive and will get proper attention...

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    750.227d Transporting or possessing firearm in or upon motor vehicle or self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel; conditions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 227d.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel a firearm, other than a pistol, unless the firearm is unloaded and is 1 or more of the following:

    (a) Taken down.

    (b) Enclosed in a case.

    (c) Carried in the trunk of the vehicle.

    (d) Inaccessible from the interior of the vehicle.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.


    750.227c Transporting or possessing loaded firearm in or upon vehicle; violation as misdemeanor; penalty; applicability to person violating MCL 312.10(1)(g).
    Sec. 227c.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a sailboat or a motor vehicle, aircraft, motorboat, or any other vehicle propelled by mechanical means, a firearm, other than a pistol, which is loaded.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

    (3) This section does not apply to a person who violates section 10(1)(g) of chapter II of Act No. 286 of the Public Acts of 1929, as amended, being section 312.10 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.





    Where is the gray area?


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    FatboyCykes wrote:
    That's his OC mobile in the background
    That picture was from before I started OCing handguns regularly. The truck is a rental that the Michigander bike tour rented to carry peoples stuff between stops for the night.

    A nearly 5 minute slide show I made of pictures I took on the Michigander, if anyone wants to see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAURP...p;feature=fvsr
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    mikestilly wrote:
    750.227d Transporting or possessing firearm in or upon motor vehicle or self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel; conditions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 227d.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel a firearm, other than a pistol, unless the firearm is unloaded and is 1 or more of the following:

    (a) Taken down.

    (b) Enclosed in a case.

    (c) Carried in the trunk of the vehicle.

    (d) Inaccessible from the interior of the vehicle.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.


    750.227c Transporting or possessing loaded firearm in or upon vehicle; violation as misdemeanor; penalty; applicability to person violating MCL 312.10(1)(g).
    Sec. 227c.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a sailboat or a motor vehicle, aircraft, motorboat, or any other vehicle propelled by mechanical means, a firearm, other than a pistol, which is loaded.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

    (3) This section does not apply to a person who violates section 10(1)(g) of chapter II of Act No. 286 of the Public Acts of 1929, as amended, being section 312.10 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.





    Where is the gray area?
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    I think that an oc bicycle ride sounds fantastic!

    mikestilly wrote:
    750.227d Transporting or possessing firearm in or upon motor vehicle or self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel; conditions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 227d.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel a firearm, other than a pistol, unless the firearm is unloaded and is 1 or more of the following:


    Where is the gray area?
    no problem with that law.....but that is not the mcl in question.

    750.227 is the applicable mcl. The part in bold is why I think it IS legal to oc on a motorcycle/bicycle without cpl since neither the rider or the pistol is "in a vehicle"

    (2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.
    The court did find that a convicted felon who had a pistol concealed under the seat/gas tank of his motorcycle was guilty of the above mcl....but that scenario is apples and oranges to oc'ing on a bicycle.

    http://legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28ebi...me=mcl-750-227
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    It's very clear that both laws apply to firearms other then a pistol. You can't pick an choose which ones to apply.

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    mikestilly wrote:
    750.227d Transporting or possessing firearm in or upon motor vehicle or self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel; conditions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 227d.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a motor vehicle or any self-propelled vehicle designed for land travel a firearm, other than a pistol, unless the firearm is unloaded and is 1 or more of the following:

    (a) Taken down.

    (b) Enclosed in a case.

    (c) Carried in the trunk of the vehicle.

    (d) Inaccessible from the interior of the vehicle.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days, or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.


    750.227c Transporting or possessing loaded firearm in or upon vehicle; violation as misdemeanor; penalty; applicability to person violating MCL 312.10(1)(g).
    Sec. 227c.

    (1) Except as otherwise permitted by law, a person shall not transport or possess in or upon a sailboat or a motor vehicle, aircraft, motorboat, or any other vehicle propelled by mechanical means, a firearm, other than a pistol, which is loaded.

    (2) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

    (3) This section does not apply to a person who violates section 10(1)(g) of chapter II of Act No. 286 of the Public Acts of 1929, as amended, being section 312.10 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.





    Where is the gray area?
    Thanks for the cite Mike, I love mountain biking and city riding. I've looked forward to an OC city ride this spring summer. I'll clear my calendar to attend.

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    I'm requesting people who have extra bikes please bring them with you for others who do not have one. (please post that you're bringing them so we know how many extras are available) The more of us out there the better.

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