kito109654
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Amazing, time to buy and use a voice recorder. The lady has been urging me to do so anyways.
Amazing, time to buy and use a voice recorder. The lady has been urging me to do so anyways.
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Pulled over, cuffed, and detained for officer safety...
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To the OP: not gonna ask the name of the agency, but local PD or SO? No way it was WSP.
Problem is, he can't say he pulled you over for no license plate light when his dash-cam would belie that reason for the stop.
To the OP: not gonna ask the name of the agency, but local PD or SO? No way it was WSP.
Problem is, he can't say he pulled you over for no license plate light when his dash-cam would belie that reason for the stop.
Sigh. Yep, statements such as this will go a long way in garnering law enforcement support for this particular forum of the RKBA movement.
Lammo
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gogodawgs wrote:
gogodawgs wrote:
Fiddling around (which is a technical legal term) with a voice recorder as the officer approaches might just be regarded as furtive movements practically guaranteed to escalate the situation. Also, if there is any possibility that the officer might be able to see the gun you are far better off telling him/her that it's there. Just my $.04 (inflation, don't ya know).
SaintJacque
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Shooter, I have to ask as well: where was this and what agency pulled you over? City, county, state?
Shooter, I have to ask as well: where was this and what agency pulled you over? City, county, state?
antispam540
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Bo wrote:
I'm stuck between being respectful of the difficult position officers are in and being absolutely furious at the way some of them abuse their power and ignore the law.
All I can suggest is that people who have positive encounters post them too. What should we do to garner law enforcement support for these forums? How far should we go? Do we pretend everything's okay, that they're all shining examples of professionalism and justice who never lie?
I say posting negative encounters is just as important as posting positive ones. Officers who use their position to abuse law-abiding citizens deserve every scrap of bad publicity we can give them, and if the good police out there don't like how it reflects upon them, maybe they should do something about the bad apples in their own ranks, instead of letting review boards rule that "the officer's actions were justified" and prosecutors decline to file charges.
Bo wrote:
There have been cases where, when requested, said dash-cam footage "goes missing".
I'm stuck between being respectful of the difficult position officers are in and being absolutely furious at the way some of them abuse their power and ignore the law.
All I can suggest is that people who have positive encounters post them too. What should we do to garner law enforcement support for these forums? How far should we go? Do we pretend everything's okay, that they're all shining examples of professionalism and justice who never lie?
I say posting negative encounters is just as important as posting positive ones. Officers who use their position to abuse law-abiding citizens deserve every scrap of bad publicity we can give them, and if the good police out there don't like how it reflects upon them, maybe they should do something about the bad apples in their own ranks, instead of letting review boards rule that "the officer's actions were justified" and prosecutors decline to file charges.
amzbrady
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Bo wrote:
Bo wrote:
What is the RKBA movement? Right ? Bare Arms???? Am I close?
ShooterMcGavin
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SaintJacque wrote:
This was in Bellevue, WA, right near the Factoria area. The cop was of the Bellevue PD.
antispam540 wrote:
I totally agree with this.
I feel bad about the encounter. I feel that I let my guard down and let the cop walk on my rights. Live and learn I suppose.
Honestly, what do you do when you are locking your car door and the cop instructs you forcefully, two times, "drop the keys"?
SaintJacque wrote:
This was in Bellevue, WA, right near the Factoria area. The cop was of the Bellevue PD.
antispam540 wrote:
I totally agree with this.
I feel bad about the encounter. I feel that I let my guard down and let the cop walk on my rights. Live and learn I suppose.
Honestly, what do you do when you are locking your car door and the cop instructs you forcefully, two times, "drop the keys"?
OrangeIsTrouble
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amzbrady wrote:
nah, Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
Scratch your head no longer!
amzbrady wrote:
rednecks kan't be awesome
nah, Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
Scratch your head no longer!
gogodawgs
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Lock the door and put them in your pocket and state: "I do not consent to any searches"
"Please call your supervisor"
Lock the door and put them in your pocket and state: "I do not consent to any searches"
"Please call your supervisor"
amzbrady
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Poosharker wrote:
Ah, "Keep". OK, theres my stupid moment out of the way.
Edited: And some of us redneck can too be awesome...
Poosharker wrote:
amzbrady wrote:rednecks kan't be awesome
nah, Right to Keep and Bear Arms!
Scratch your head no longer!
Ah, "Keep". OK, theres my stupid moment out of the way.
Edited: And some of us redneck can too be awesome...
OrangeIsTrouble
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NavyLT, good point, I have a question also kind of related to that.
"Must be committed in their presence"
Let's say there is a car going 80mph on the freeway, and somebody calls in and reports crazy driver, blah blah with license plate NAV-YLT and trooper heads out, but crazy driver has a police scanner and hears it and slows down to speed limit and stays under it and trooper finally arrives. Can the driver be pulled over and charged?
(Caller is not around, has driven on, but did report it in, if this info is needed).
NavyLT, good point, I have a question also kind of related to that.
"Must be committed in their presence"
Let's say there is a car going 80mph on the freeway, and somebody calls in and reports crazy driver, blah blah with license plate NAV-YLT and trooper heads out, but crazy driver has a police scanner and hears it and slows down to speed limit and stays under it and trooper finally arrives. Can the driver be pulled over and charged?
(Caller is not around, has driven on, but did report it in, if this info is needed).
SaintJacque
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Edit: I should clarify, the witness would have to be able to attest to a violation. If the violation is speeding, there is no way for a witness to really know that unless they have a radar gun themselves. So in the case of speeding, no that's not enough. For other violations that merely require the ability to see in order to establish a violation, I would argue the cop could pull you over.
An eyewitness report may be sufficient probable cause to make a stop. The officer doesn't necessarily need to see the act himself, he simply needs evidence that establishes cause. NavyLT's comments are spot on, though. Never volunteer information and maintain your rights. You're not being a dick, you're just saving yourself from a situation where you are pulled out the car, searched and detained, etc. based on nothing.
Edit: I should clarify, the witness would have to be able to attest to a violation. If the violation is speeding, there is no way for a witness to really know that unless they have a radar gun themselves. So in the case of speeding, no that's not enough. For other violations that merely require the ability to see in order to establish a violation, I would argue the cop could pull you over.
An eyewitness report may be sufficient probable cause to make a stop. The officer doesn't necessarily need to see the act himself, he simply needs evidence that establishes cause. NavyLT's comments are spot on, though. Never volunteer information and maintain your rights. You're not being a dick, you're just saving yourself from a situation where you are pulled out the car, searched and detained, etc. based on nothing.
SaintJacque
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Good post, I was unaware of the distinction between misdemeanor and felony in terms of necessary cause for arrest. I guess the distinction here is "pulling over" versus "arrest". Is pulling someone over equivalent to being "detained"? You're not free to go.
Good post, I was unaware of the distinction between misdemeanor and felony in terms of necessary cause for arrest. I guess the distinction here is "pulling over" versus "arrest". Is pulling someone over equivalent to being "detained"? You're not free to go.
Ajetpilot
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With regard to keys, I mentioned on another thread that people should consider hiding a key on the exterior of the vehicle. If asked to step out of the car, leave the keys in the ignition, punch the door lock as you step out, and close the door immediately. A key hidden under a piece of duct tape on the back of one of the license plates is an excellent choice. Of course, that's not where I hide mine, and I will never tell where mine is hidden. It also saves a locksmith charge should you inadvertently lock yourself out.
With regard to keys, I mentioned on another thread that people should consider hiding a key on the exterior of the vehicle. If asked to step out of the car, leave the keys in the ignition, punch the door lock as you step out, and close the door immediately. A key hidden under a piece of duct tape on the back of one of the license plates is an excellent choice. Of course, that's not where I hide mine, and I will never tell where mine is hidden. It also saves a locksmith charge should you inadvertently lock yourself out.
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ShooterMcGavin wrote:
Bottom line, you escalated the situation IMHO based upon what you wrote. The officer was well within the law. Next time, put it under the passenger seat and don't admit to having weapons. If they ask, say: I don't think that's any of your business, or say I don't have anything illegal. I am not gung hoe pro cop at all here......
XD
ShooterMcGavin wrote:
Bottom line, you escalated the situation IMHO based upon what you wrote. The officer was well within the law. Next time, put it under the passenger seat and don't admit to having weapons. If they ask, say: I don't think that's any of your business, or say I don't have anything illegal. I am not gung hoe pro cop at all here......
XD
Bersa.380
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I don't feel like wading through all the posts on this thread to get a feel for this ....
And IMO if this is a true story stay out of Bellevue the cops there are jerks and have been for a long time ! ! ! As far as I am concerned being a Police officer is just a job, there is too much Hero Whorship when one gets hurt !
Now go file a report with the Belevue PD or the WSP that your were harrassed when they read the report hopefully they will poop in the pants when they see it's filed against an officer .... make copies of the report and mail them to your senators.
Don't ever think a cop will not crack and shoot your sorry butt .... Remember the Everett Officer Troy Meade that shot a man to death just sitting in his car a few months ago behind the Chuckwagon Restaraunt.
I don't feel like wading through all the posts on this thread to get a feel for this ....
And IMO if this is a true story stay out of Bellevue the cops there are jerks and have been for a long time ! ! ! As far as I am concerned being a Police officer is just a job, there is too much Hero Whorship when one gets hurt !
Now go file a report with the Belevue PD or the WSP that your were harrassed when they read the report hopefully they will poop in the pants when they see it's filed against an officer .... make copies of the report and mail them to your senators.
Don't ever think a cop will not crack and shoot your sorry butt .... Remember the Everett Officer Troy Meade that shot a man to death just sitting in his car a few months ago behind the Chuckwagon Restaraunt.
joeroket
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Bersa.380 wrote:
Yea, he was just sitting in the car. :banghead:
Where did you hear that from? Even the prosecutor has said that he was drunk and not responding to demands. Don't get me wrong, I think Troy was completely in the wrong and will get convicted because, and even his fellow officers don't think, the level of force used was absolutely unnecessary. Please know your facts before commenting on such things.
Bersa.380 wrote:
Yea, he was just sitting in the car. :banghead:
Where did you hear that from? Even the prosecutor has said that he was drunk and not responding to demands. Don't get me wrong, I think Troy was completely in the wrong and will get convicted because, and even his fellow officers don't think, the level of force used was absolutely unnecessary. Please know your facts before commenting on such things.
joeroket
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XD45PlusP - The officer was wrong in opening the trunk, unless the OP allowed it which he did not indicate he did. That constitutes an unlawful search. Actually taking the pistol from the car after he had the OP in cuffs away from the car constitutes an unlawful search. They are no longer able to search a car incident to arrest or for officer safety purposes if the occupants have been removed from the vehicle and no longer have the ability to access the contents of it.
XD45PlusP - The officer was wrong in opening the trunk, unless the OP allowed it which he did not indicate he did. That constitutes an unlawful search. Actually taking the pistol from the car after he had the OP in cuffs away from the car constitutes an unlawful search. They are no longer able to search a car incident to arrest or for officer safety purposes if the occupants have been removed from the vehicle and no longer have the ability to access the contents of it.
esstac
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In case anyone wanted to see the actual law used in this encounter.
I have been pulled over for violating said law also, well that was the excuse anyways. To this day I wish I asked the Sheriff what the next Lotto numbers were going to be, since he was pretty psychic in all knowing I had no license plate light when he kicked on his lights going the opposite direction and still ahead of me. But he sure liked checking out the Willys, witch I am pretty sure was his original intent on pulling me over, never checked license or registration either and was more concerned with how old the the ride was.
This was 2 years ago, before I got a bit more edjumacated, if it happened now getting the dash cam footage just for the Lulz would be warranted.
In case anyone wanted to see the actual law used in this encounter.
I have been pulled over for violating said law also, well that was the excuse anyways. To this day I wish I asked the Sheriff what the next Lotto numbers were going to be, since he was pretty psychic in all knowing I had no license plate light when he kicked on his lights going the opposite direction and still ahead of me. But he sure liked checking out the Willys, witch I am pretty sure was his original intent on pulling me over, never checked license or registration either and was more concerned with how old the the ride was.
This was 2 years ago, before I got a bit more edjumacated, if it happened now getting the dash cam footage just for the Lulz would be warranted.
Bersa.380
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joeroket wrote:
joeroket wrote:
I read the reports .... Troy was in the wrong PERIOD ! He lost it and was reported to say: "Time to end this ....then opened fire"Whats even worse; that was the 3rd time he has been involved in shootings some what like that, time for him to go to jail PERIOD ! We DO NOT need cops like that on our streets and since when does being drunk carry a death sentance ???