Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 34

Thread: Reno Open Carry Trash Clean-up for April

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Please join Reno Open Carry Trash Pick-up, Saturday, April 17th, noon

    Location for April's event is Teglia's Paradise Park, located at Oddie and El Rancho, north east Reno

    Google map will be posted soon





  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Sparks, NV, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    471

    Post imported post

    I'm in!

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Sparks, Nevada, United States
    Posts
    177

    Post imported post

    If the date stays the 17th, I should be able to make it. My wife may be able to come again as well.

  4. #4
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post


  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Good Google map...well done!

    Please note: There is an elementary school at the south west corner of the park, across a small street. This area is off-limits for Open Carry. We should probablymeet in the main parking lot off El Rancho...the east side of the park.

  6. #6
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    As long as we aren't on school property it doesn't matter where we are.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Location
    , Nevada, USA
    Posts
    14

    Post imported post

    April 17 should be doable for my husband and me. Do we just show up?

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Yes, just show up with your guns holstered and visible.

    I'll be there early and we'll meet with a City of Reno Parks and Recreation employee that will provide trash bags...

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    17

    Post imported post

    Felid`Maximus wrote:
    As long as we aren't on school property it doesn't matter where we are.
    I believe this park is too close to the school and our activity would be in violation of the Gun Free School Zone Act...prohibiting gun possession within 1000 feet of school property. I am aware of the exception to this act re: permit holders (CCW), but OCing may be another story.

  10. #10
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    The entire park is within 1000 feet of a school, but I don't believe it will be a problem.

    The federal law is unconstitutional. Sure, Congress modified it after United States vs. Lopez to make a claim that it related to commerce but the law itself I believe would be found unconstitutional for the exact same reasons as the original one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

    Further, it is possible that a prosecutor could argue that a concealed firearm permit is not a license to carry a firearm in school zone. A concealed firearm permit is not even a permit to carry a firearm since we can carry without one. It is only a license to conceal a firearm.

    (A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
    (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

    ...

    (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
    There are very few places in an urban area that are more than 1000 feet from a school. Hypothetically, one could be guilty of a felony for violation. I think 99% of all gun owners would be guilty.

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    I will contact Craig Skau, Reno City Attorney on Monday and ask about this situation.

    I'm not in the know on just where a school's "boundary" starts...or I would take my surveyors wheel over there and measure out 1000 feet.

    I'll post Monday on what I find out...

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Having just read the law as posted in http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/922(q).htmlI see no mention of the "within 1000 feet". I only see "within a school zone" or "on the school premises" unless the "within 1000 feet" is a State of Nevada Statute or a City of Reno Municiple Code.

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    17

    Post imported post

    18 USC § 921 Definitions
    (a) As used in this chapter—
    (25) The term “school zone” means—
    (A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or
    private school; or
    (B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of
    a public, parochial or private school.
    (26) The term “school” means a school which provides
    elementary or secondary education, as determined
    under State law.


  14. #14
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    This is going to be a problem basically anywhere we choose to do it in a city.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno,_N...Public_schools

    Public schools
    Public education is provided by the Washoe County School District.
    Reno has ten public high schools: Damonte Ranch, Galena, Hug, McQueen, North Valleys, Regional Technical Institute (RTI), Reno, Truckee Meadows Community College High School,[14] Washoe, and Wooster.
    There are also three public high schools in neighboring Sparks, attended by many students who live in Reno: Reed, Spanish Springs, and Sparks High School.
    Reno-Sparks has 13 middle schools: Billinghurst, Clayton, Cold Springs, DePoali, Dilworth, Mendive, O'Brien, Pine, Shaw (Spanish Springs),Sparks, Swope, Trainer, Vaughn.
    Reno-Sparks has 64 elementary schools: Allen, Anderson, Beasley, Jesse Beck, Bennett, Booth, Brown, Cannan, Caughlin Ranch, Corbett, Desert Heights, Diedrichsen, Dodson, Donner Springs, Double Diamond, Drake, Duncan, Dunn, Elmcrest, Gomes, Grace Warner, Greenbrae, Hidden Valley, Huffaker, Hunsberger, Hunter Lake, Jessie Hall, Johnson, Juniper, Lemmon Valley, Elizabeth Lenz, Lincoln Park, Echo Loder, Mathews, Maxwell, Melton, Mitchell, Moss, Mount Rose, Natchez, Palmer, Peavine, Picollo Special Education School, Pleasant Valley, Risley, Roy Gomm, Sepulveda, Sierra Vista, Silver Lake, Alice Smith, Kate Smith, Smithridge, Spanish Springs, Stead, Sun Valley, Taylor, Towles, Van Gorder, Verdi [pronounced VUR-die], Veterans Memorial, Warner, Westergard, Whitehead and Sarah Winnemucca. (some schools included on this list are in Sparks)
    [edit]Public charter schools
    Reno has many charter schools, which include: Academy for Career Education, serving grades 10-12, opened 2002.[15] Bailey Charter Elementary School, serving grades K-6, opened 2001.[16] Coral Academy of Science, serving grades K-12, opened 2000.[17] Davidson Academy, serving grades 9-12, opened 2006.[18] High Desert Montessori School, serving grades PreK-7, opened 2002. I Can Do Anything Charter School, serving grades 9-12, opened 2000.[19] Rainshadow Community Charter High School, serving grades 9-12, opened 2003.[20] Sierra Nevada Academy Charter School, serving grades PreK-8, opened 1999. TEAM A (Together Everyone Achieves More Academy), serving grades 9-12, opened 2004.[21]
    [edit]Private schools
    Reno has a few private elementary schools such as Legacy Christian School, Excel Christian School, and Lamplight Christian School[22] as well as private high schools, the largest of which are Bishop Manogue High School[23] and Sage Ridge School (SRS).[24]
    There are 105 schools just in that list alone, not counting possibly other entities that may meet the definition of a public or private school under law that may not have made the list.

    Assuming each school was a point, and did not have any area of school grounds each school would create a circle that had a diameter of 2000 feet. That is 37.88% of a mile wide.


  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Ahhhh...then we might consider another venue for April 17th. I'll contact the City of Reno Parks and Recreation and see where else they may ask us to provide our services.

  16. #16
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
    Posts
    1,413

    Post imported post

    Why all the hassle? As Felid pointed out, probably 99% of all gun owners are guilty of this unconstitutional and unenforceable law. If it's an enforceable law, I'm guilty every day, since an elementary school is close to my home. And as I pointed out in another thread, everyone who takes a loaded gun to the new Clark County Shooting Park is guilty since the only road to the place passes right in front of a large high school.

    Not something you need to worry about in Nevada.

  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Sparks, NV, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    471

    Post imported post

    BUMP

    I assume Thateldoo is working with Reno P&R on this. We'll change the location if needed, but for now it's on.



    I think I'm going to call a local AM radio station a week before this occurs, I'd like to attract a few new members who might not know about the website. I'm sure he'll take the call, since he interviewed the founder of OC.org a few weeks ago. I'll post again before I call if you guys are interested.

  18. #18
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Sorry for not posting a few days ago. I did talk with the City of Reno Parks and Recreation. I explained our thoughts on the idea of a school being adjacent to Paradise Park...and that we are law abiding citizens.

    There is another location that they would like us to have our April event at if we feel that Paradise Park is inappropriate.

    We still have 3 weeks before the scheduled event...give me another day and I'll do more research on the 1,000 ft. deal. That just seems outrageous to me.

    In the mean time, the other location is in Stead, Stead Blvd at Norton Dr. Dorothy McAlinden/Mayors Park.

    Again, give me a day, or until Monday afternoon to make some calls and research the "1,000 ft from a school" law......

  19. #19
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    Some links with some information on the school zone issue.

    Here is a thread with some discussion and a poll about the issue:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum7/40731-1.html

    Here is a document about the law that might be worth reading:
    http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.p...+L.+J.+637+pdf

    Here is a wikipedia article about the original act:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act
    And the case U.S. vs. Lopez:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

    Link to text of law:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...---000-.html#q

    Link to definitions used in law:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/se...000-.html#a_25

  20. #20
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    I have found one instance of someone being charged with it post-Lopez. A ten time felon plead guilty to possessing a firearm in a school zone in 2001.

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...pg=2449,304629

    Still, he plead guilty and did not try to challenge the law.

  21. #21
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Felid`Maximus wrote:
    Some links with some information on the school zone issue.

    Link to definitions used in law:
    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/se...000-.html#a_25
    Thanks, Felid'Maximus...

    The "link to definitions used in law" is the one I wanted to see. 1,000' from a school...which is about1/5 of a mile.

    In the case of Paradise Park and the elementary school, that pretty much covers the entire park.

    As our intent is to show that Open Carry is lawful in the State of Nevada, I would suggest our April 17th event be held at the Dorothy McAlinden/Mayors Park at Stead Blvd and Norton Drive.

    Please comment...


  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Sparks, NV, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    471

    Post imported post

    BUMPPITY BUMP BUMP

    Date is rapidly approaching. I am down with the change of venue, everyone else ok with Mayor's Park? Who all is still available to come?

  23. #23
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Sun Valley, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    My wife and I are in the process of moving. We'll no longer be able to join the gang as we'll be in Alturas, CA...yup...California.

    Someone email me and I'll forward all the City of Reno phone numbers and names that I've been in contact with. All of these people are very friendly and appreciate what we do.

    Please, keep up the great work with Open Carry here in the Reno area...

    Dan (thateldoo)

    n2rdo@sbcglobal.net

  24. #24
    Activist Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Reno, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    1,713

    Post imported post

    Thanks for the work you've done contacting officials for us, Thateldoo. Hopefully your stay in California will work out well. Maybe some day their gun laws will improve. I've sent you an e-mail to get the contact information.


    I should be able to come this Saturday to Mayor's park.

  25. #25
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Carson City, Nevada, USA
    Posts
    344

    Post imported post

    jfrey123 wrote:
    BUMPPITY BUMP BUMP

    Date is rapidly approaching. I am down with the change of venue, everyone else ok with Mayor's Park? Who all is still available to come?
    I wish I could but I work weekend night shifts. If you ever get a midweek trash pickup organized I'd be there.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •