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    Now, gents:

    Can we have a bit more civilized discussion?



    More aboutthe medical marijuana shootout

    Workman has details about the suspects, and some observations about home defense.




    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m3d19-Model-citizens-and-the-medical-marijuana-shootout

    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/yaqy3mc


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    Kudos again Dave.

    And one thing to all of Dave's detractor's on this sight. Dave very much pays attention to opencarry and I gather that he respects the thought that we put into every scenario. From my browsing of other firearm forums, not one gives as much attention to the law as opencarry does. We talk about it and try to live it daily. Dave gives us that respect, even if he is measured about the opencarry movement. I personally appreciate that point of view.
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    Good read. All of the suspects seem very connected to each other and the victim.

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    Dave,

    Thanks for the update. Is there any news on the type of round that was fired from
    the shotgun? It looked like some type of birdshot. Good thing for all involved that it wasn't something more lethal.
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    Yeah, it was standard birdshot.

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    geojohn wrote:
    Dave,

    Thanks for the update. Is there any news on the type of round that was fired from
    the shotgun? It looked like some type of birdshot. Good thing for all involved that it wasn't something more lethal.
    The homeowner is lucky that it was birdshot and that the invader missed him for the most part (aside from a few pellets). Bird shot will kill you if you are hit close range in the face or torso. I am not sure how much energy is coming out of the barrel *although it disipates quickly* with the first ten feet.
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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    geojohn wrote:
    Dave,

    Thanks for the update. Is there any news on the type of round that was fired from
    the shotgun? It looked like some type of birdshot. Good thing for all involved that it wasn't something more lethal.
    The homeowner is lucky that it was birdshot and that the invader missed him for the most part (aside from a few pellets). Bird shot will kill you if you are hit close range in the face or torso. I am not sure how much energy is coming out of the barrel *although it disipates quickly* with the first ten feet.
    Your sure Dick Cheney wasnt involved?
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    Several years ago, a neighbor of mine tried to "scare" a doe away from his vegetable garden with a 12 guage loaded with #8 shot. A couple pellets found their mark and that doe layed down and died in his garden.
    Don't underestimate birdshot.

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    Like that one.

    Can anyone say "revolver?"

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    cynicist wrote:
    Like that one.

    Can anyone say "revolver?"
    "Revolver?" Can anyone say "limp-wrist." If you are unable to manage a .22, .380 or 9mm round fired through a semiauto without the damn thing jamming on you the first freaking time either purchase a better qualitysemi-auto, cleanyour firearm everytime you shoot itor get a revolver.

    I personally don't care much for revolvers, they just dont feel right in my hand. I understand they are totally reliable,e specially for limp-wristers.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    I made the same point!

    Still, it gives you a chill just how close he came to buying it even with all the odds breaking his way.. Layout and surprise were in his favor and he did get one shot, but his opponent still got a shot off and had the perp given himself 1/10th of a second more to line his weapon up properly, he would have prevailed.

    Thanks for the update Dave.

    A Back up Gun!

    Whee!

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    Why are cops getting a search warrant for his home? This is the last statement made by the reporter in the video.

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    Aryk45XD wrote:
    Why are cops getting a search warrant for his home? This is the last statement made by the reporter in the video.
    Procedure. Someone was shot, and they needed to recover bullets, spent shell casings, take measurements or whatever else is necessary to gather evidence including photographing the crime scene. Blood samples for DNA matches, latent fingerprints establishing that the bad guys were inside, that sort of thing.

    DON'TCHA EVER WATCH CSI????



    The warrant may have also covered the removal of the approx. 300 plants that reportedly were taken.

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    Dave Workman wrote:
    The warrant may have also covered the removal of the approx. 300 plants that reportedly were taken.
    Party in the evidence room :celebrate

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    Ajetpilot wrote:
    Dave Workman wrote:
    The warrant may have also covered the removal of the approx. 300 plants that reportedly were taken.
    Party in the evidence room **:celebrate
    LOL

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    LOL. I won't OC for a party like that.
    No, I don't watch CSI, But I love NCIS!!! :celebrate

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    From my experience, .22's in general have more of a tendency to jam than other calibers. I have an original Ruger pistol, it does jam once in a while. Doesn't surprise me that his .22 jammed.
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    G22Paddy wrote:
    From my experience, .22's in general have more of a tendency to jam than other calibers. I have an original Ruger pistol, it does jam once in a while. Doesn't surprise me that his .22 jammed.
    If you are going to use a .22 LR round for self-defense, you have to purchase good quality ammo...not the bulk ammo....not the 550 pack Federal....not the 500 pack Remington...spend a bit more for reliable rimfire ammo. The same applies to all ammunition though IMO.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Hmmm

    I wonder if using a .22-caliber pistol for self-defense is a symptom of

    REEFER MADNESS!!!!

    :what: :shock:

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    cynicist wrote:
    Like that one.

    Can anyone say "revolver?"
    "Revolver?" Can anyone say "limp-wrist." If you are unable to manage a .22, .380 or 9mm round fired through a semiauto without the damn thing jamming on you the first freaking time either purchase a better qualitysemi-auto, cleanyour firearm everytime you shoot itor get a revolver.

    I personally don't care much for revolvers, they just dont feel right in my hand. I understand they are totally reliable,e specially for limp-wristers.
    Meh, I've had a revolver jam. Granted, it wasn't really the guns fault though, the rim on the ammo was manufactured a little to thick on some of the casings. I didn't notice until I cycled to the 2nd round and the wheel locked up. I can't imagine the horror that would cause if I was in a self defense situation instead of shooting paper at the range.
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    Dave Workman wrote:
    Hmmm

    I wonder if using a .22-caliber pistol for self-defense is a symptom of

    REEFER MADNESS!!!!

    :what: :shock:
    As I posted elsewhere, I've now ordered a Benelli M4 and a Kimber Ultra-carry (since I'm a long-time 1911 shooter). This is sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. So far they've rounded up 5 suspects and are looking for more. This was a gang of teenagers, at least one with a violent criminal record. But if I'd shot them all with the Benelli that night, there would be those who would have said the I used "over-kill". The .22's were here so that I could teach my girlfriend (a complete novice), how to safely handle and use a handgun should the need arise. Fortunately her training had already begun and she knew to hand me the backup pistol loaded, safety off. This probably saved us since the second perp made it to within a foot or so of our bedroom when she handed me the Walther .22 and I opened fire on him.

    This was an armed home invasion by an experienced criminal gang. They would have done this regardless of the marijuana. This was just the spin law enforcement always uses with medical marijuana....blame the victims.

    I live on 3.5 acres and my home is 100 yards from the street so it's not like we were in interfering with anyone and I was hardly an inconvenience to my neighbors. But snoopy neighbors are snoopy neighbors, wherever you live.

    The law suit that I will be filing on the county will prove that I was completely within my legal limits when they stole my property. While the state law sets a "presumptive limit" of 15 plants and 24 ounces, my doctor's recommendation called for a much larger limit than that. That doctor's recommendation, along with that of my girlfriend, were both posted on the wall of my home. Regardless, they robbed me anyway and stole computers, personal belongings...and even our security system. They then proceeded to totally trash our home and leave behind fast food trash scattered everywhere.

    This story is far from over.

    Steve Sarich
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    That is why individuals need to practice how to respond to their firearm jamming. Just shooting at paper is not enough. You must incorporate defensive scenarios into your target shooting and when unforeseen issues arise, (they should actually be considered as a possibility and you should be as prepared as possible for it).

    What I do when target shooting.

    -shoot both left and right handed

    -tipmy handgun from side to side while firing.

    -because the target doesn't move I move my handgun back and forth in a staggering motion to simulate the person moving,then fire

    -FTE, FTF, SP all are capitalized on when they happen and I re-chambera round as quickly as possible.

    -I visualize being under attack and go so far as to verbalize "I am armed, don't come any closer." Put my left hand up, palm out to signal for the attacker to stop.

    If you stand with your handgun and slowly aim then fire while target shooting that does not aid in preparing you for a day where you might be under attack. Think about the really awkward positions you could be in when under attack. You must think tactically.

    When target shooting one must always remember that you are dealing in abstracts. If you are the unfortunate recipient of a real life attack on your person and/or your family there is nothing that can completely prepare you for dealing with something like that.

    Preserving life and limb is a violent thing to engage in but difficult decisions must be made and you make them.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    SteveSarich wrote:
    I am not trying to tell you what to do but I would pull your posts everywhere that you placed them. I am concerned that right at this moment you might be missing the fact that you are ALWAYS in legal jeopardy if you make statements while being investigated. When you use a firearm, regardless of the fact that it is self-defense you are in legal jeopardy.


    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    Sylvia Plath wrote:
    SteveSarich wrote:
    I am not trying to tell you what to do but I would pull your posts everywhere that you placed them.* I am concerned that right at this moment you might be missing the fact that you are ALWAYS in legal jeopardy if you make statements while being investigated.* When you use a firearm, regardless of the fact that it is self-defense you are in legal jeopardy.

    *
    I have already been cleared of any wrong-doing in this shooting. I've already cleared this with my attorney prior to making any statements. All the physical evidence matches my story and the perps have already confessed to this, and other robberies of my home. I really do appreciate your concern, but no one, including the prosecutor who was at my home yesterday, has implied that I did anything improper whatsoever.

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    SteveSarich wrote:
    Dave Workman wrote:
    Hmmm

    I wonder if using a .22-caliber pistol for self-defense is a symptom of

    REEFER MADNESS!!!!

    :what: :shock:
    As I posted elsewhere, I've now ordered a Benelli M4 and a Kimber Ultra-carry (since I'm a long-time 1911 shooter). This is sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. So far they've rounded up 5 suspects and are looking for more. This was a gang of teenagers, at least one with a violent criminal record. But if I'd shot them all with the Benelli that night, there would be those who would have said the I used "over-kill". The .22's were here so that I could teach my girlfriend (a complete novice), how to safely handle and use a handgun should the need arise. Fortunately her training had already begun and she knew to hand me the backup pistol loaded, safety off. This probably saved us since the second perp made it to within a foot or so of our bedroom when she handed me the Walther .22 and I opened fire on him.

    This was an armed home invasion by an experienced criminal gang. They would have done this regardless of the marijuana. This was just the spin law enforcement always uses with medical marijuana....blame the victims.

    I live on 3.5 acres and my home is 100 yards from the street so it's not like we were in interfering with anyone and I was hardly an inconvenience to my neighbors. But snoopy neighbors are snoopy neighbors, wherever you live.

    The law suit that I will be filing on the county will prove that I was completely within my legal limits when they stole my property. While the state law sets a "presumptive limit" of 15 plants and 24 ounces, my doctor's recommendation called for a much larger limit than that. That doctor's recommendation, along with that of my girlfriend, were both posted on the wall of my home. Regardless, they robbed me anyway and stole computers, personal belongings...and even our security system. They then proceeded to totally trash our home and leave behind fast food trash scattered everywhere.

    This story is far from over.

    Steve Sarich
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    Steve,

    Welcome to ocdo and most of us support your right to self defense. Most of us also support liberty. While I am a non user, I do support liberty and wish you the best of luck in this instance. And, buy a firearm that doesn't jam.
    Live Free or Die!

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