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    So as of right now I will not be posting the entire story. I will when I feel it's appropriate. What I need is any laws regarding detainment. If the cops come to your house and you come outside to meet them....can they detain you from going back in your houseif youhave not commited any crime or infraction? Also I know if you record someone outsideon public property you have to give notification....if the person tells you to stop recording them and you continue is there a crime commited....or anything that would constitute any kind of misdemeanor or even something that might have one of those gray area's?

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    If the police have no warrant and no RAS of a crime being committed, they cannot detain you.

    If someone is in public, they have no expectation of privacy. Police have no expectation of privacy while performing their duty. You can record police encounters legally.

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    Thank you for your swift reply....would you mind giving me somelinks on what constitutes RAS....that without RAS detainment is illegal....and somethink about the recording....thank you for your help.

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    Also if someone could give me someinfo on a leo temporarily confiscating a camera during an illegal detainment. Explanation and referance. Thank you.

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    Also if someone could give me someinfo on a leo temporarily confiscating a camera during an illegal detainment. Explanation and referance. Thank you.
    First of all, if you were recording an officer in public, there is no need to inform them. They can be recorded at any time while they are on duty.

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    And if you were recording while on YOUR private property, they are SOL about being recorded.

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    Can you give me some referance please....thank you for your response.

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    I live in an apartment complex and was outside my front door.

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    I live in an apartment complex and was outside my front door.
    So you are on private property then? The apartment complex sidewalk/walkway?

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    We need information on what happened. More than what you are saying. This is kind of vague. What exactly happened between you stepping outside and when they left?

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    If you talked to them, you didn't have to.

    If they didn't arrest you or put you in handcuffs and you voluntarily talked with them then you were not detained.

    Did you ask if you were being detained or if you were free to go?
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    It's a huge complex and I'm located in the middle. Part of the time we were directly outside my front door and part of the time the walkway right in front of my apartment....They are the seeley lake apts. on bridgeport and 59th in lakewood...I'm sure you could get a better idea if you could see the layout of the complex.....

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    I asked multiple times if I was being detained and was told yes....I got most of that on camera and audio before the cop made me turn it off and then snatched it out of my pocket.

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    I asked multiple times if I was being detained and was told yes....I got most of that on camera and audio before the cop made me turn it off and then snatched it out of my pocket.
    Then they royally ****** up.

    Get a lawyer and talk to them. We aren't capable of giving you legal advice.

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    Also I told them I was not going to say anything to hurt my own case....the only info they got outta me was my basic info and my wife's name.....other than that I respectfully waited and kept stating what my rights were since they really had no idea.

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    Does anyone know a good lawyer that does the whole pay me if I win kinda thing.....don't have all the money in the world....

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    Does anyone know a good lawyer that does the whole pay me if I win kinda thing.....don't have all the money in the world....
    Is this related to firearms?

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    Not really...I know I'm only supposed to post things pertaining to firearms on here but you guys were the only one's I knew to ask for good advice.....

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    I said not really....I meant No

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    If it is detainment and 4th/5th amendment call the ACLU or any good attorney.
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    http://www.wsba.org/atj/contact/legasst.htm

    If you are notlow income:
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    If you are low income, and:
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    Thank you guys for all the help.....if anyone has more info on a lawyers I'll take all I can get.

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    ACLU - 206-624-2180

    CLEAR - 1-888-201-1014

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    dustin.vallee88 wrote:
    Thank you guys for all the help.....if anyone has more info on a lawyers I'll take all I can get.
    State vs. Flora. PM Olypendrew.

    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    Find an attorney who will take your case on contengincy, "they dont get paid, if you dont get paid". Most attornies will not charge for the first consultation.
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