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    Better then i thought it would be at first. Though i don't think there should be any licensing.

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    BreakingTheMold wrote:
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    Better then i thought it would be at first. Though i don't think there should be any licensing.
    I agree Alaska and Vermont have it right!
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    Yeah, it's going to be an uphill battle

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    with a headwind :X
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    In the rain, carrying a 90lb ruck.

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    And lugging a M2 and tripod.....
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    Good work DanM, they used your post on the papers site, maybe that will drum up 1 or two people, maybe more! (yours must have been worded better then mine )


    " "Want to carry a pistol in Michigan?
    Prepare to pay a fee and . . ."

    Carrying concealed, and the costs, licensing, and wait time associated, aren't the only option in Michigan for carrying a pistol. You may also carry openly, no permit required. The only requirement is the handgun must be legally registered to you. There are restricted areas you must be aware of.

    Learn more at

    www.opencarry.org

    http://www.opencarry.org "

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I agree Alaska and Vermont have it right!
    I agree, it is nice, but I personally would take unrestricted OC other than while intoxicated over CC in most places without a permit.

    The biggest problem I have with both places is college carry. Neither Vermont nor Alaska are particularly college carry friendly, although at least Alaska doesn't have it outlawed like Vermont does, you just apparently risk expulsion for carrying there.
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    I've had a Michigan issued CCW for many years. Maybe 20 or more at this point. And yes, I still call it a CCW. I must be getting old or something... At any rate, it was almost impossible to get a CCW here in Michigan several years ago. One of the reasons I moved from Wayne to Oakland county was the to make it easier to a license.

    Speaking of which, it's time to renew too...

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    Jon Foster wrote:
    I've had a Michigan issued CCW for many years. Maybe 20 or more at this point. And yes, I still call it a CCW.
    CCW is an acronym, commonly used byLEOs and prosecutors,also meaningthe felony crime of unlicensed concealed carry of a weapon. One of the reasons for being precise and getting into the habit of calling it a CPL, and not a "CCW", is to avoid any potential for actual or claimed probable cause for a detention, arrest, or search. Here's how it could happen:

    I'm OC'ing and approached by an officer who asks if I have a "CCW", or he asks if I have a "permit" and I respond "I have a CCW."If theofficer interprets, or claims later to have interpreted, "CCW" as meaning the aforementioned crime, then (in the officer's mind) you've created probable cause to believe you are a felon in possession of a firearm, by your own statement. You have then opened up the possibility of legitimately being detained, arrested, and searched.
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    DanM wrote:
    Jon Foster wrote:
    I've had a Michigan issued CCW for many years. Maybe 20 or more at this point. And yes, I still call it a CCW.
    CCW is an acronym, commonly used byLEOs and prosecutors,also meaningthe felony crime of unlicensed concealed carry of a weapon. One of the reasons for being precise and getting into the habit of calling it a CPL, and not a "CCW", is to avoid any potential for actual or claimed probable cause for a detention, arrest, or search. Here's how it could happen:

    I'm OC'ing and approached by an officer who asks if I have a "CCW", or he asks if I have a "permit" and I respond "I have a CCW."If theofficer interprets, or claims later to have interpreted, "CCW" as meaning the aforementioned crime, then (in the officer's mind) you've created probable cause to believe you are a felon in possession of a firearm, by your own statement. You have then opened up the possibility of legitimately being detained, arrested, and searched.
    Yes this!
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    When speculation does not match reality, go with reality
    Fantastically worded...

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    How do we address this reality:

    Requiring a license for a legal right is unlawful.


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