LEO's discussing open carry.

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yelohamr wrote:

I can't wait to see the bashing... that will fall on deaf ears.
I've always had a knack for getting others to turn on their "stupid" switch.

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Thanks yelohamr, I've see dozen of Hibel v. Sixth Judicial District were try to making their point and they read the old LACDA memo. Would you minds tell them that case isn't apply to CA.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes[/url] and read under 'Obligations under “stop and identify” laws'at the bottom about the CA cases.

Thanks again.

P.S. You wrote #167 "Try reading the CA Penal Code. I found out about 13031 in 1988" You means 12031?

Anyone noticed the UOCer's carry the magazine in back pocket?
I also noticed that Shadowdrop wrote: #52 "You may only check a serial if it is in plain view, so if they have covered their serial with a piece of electrical tape; DRATS! Foiled again." When our members did wrotes here about that before from woodeyand Decoligny.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=33126&forum_id=12&highlight=covered+their+serial+with+a+piece+of+electrical+tape
and
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=29182&forum_id=12&highlight=covered+their+serial+with+a+piece+of+electrical+tape

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Gundude wrote:

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Originally Posted by yelohamr
After you climb down off of your ego and aren't too dizzy, read this:
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009...carry-faq.htmlOh fawk....another OC.org idiot.
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FJDave doesn't like you. He is also the chairman of the LAPD community relations squad.

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OUCH!

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Wc wrote:

yelohamr wrote:

I can't wait to see the bashing... that will fall on deaf ears.
I've always had a knack for getting others to turn on their "stupid" switch.

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Thanks yelohamr, I've see dozen of Hibel v. Sixth Judicial District were try to making their point and they read the old LACDA memo. Would you minds tell them that case isn't apply to CA.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes[/url] and read under 'Obligations under “stop and identify” laws'at the bottom about the CA cases.

Thanks again.

P.S. You wrote #167 "Try reading the CA Penal Code. I found out about 13031 in 1988" You means 12031?

Anyone noticed the UOCer's carry the magazine in back pocket?
I also noticed that Shadowdrop wrote: #52 "You may only check a serial if it is in plain view, so if they have covered their serial with a piece of electrical tape; DRATS! Foiled again." When our members did wrotes here about that before from woodeyand Decoligny.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=33126&forum_id=12&highlight=covered+their+serial+with+a+piece+of+electrical+tape
and
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=29182&forum_id=12&highlight=covered+their+serial+with+a+piece+of+electrical+tape

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Thanks for pointing that out. I fixed it. Spell check doesn't work with numbers.

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Wc wrote:

Gundude wrote:

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Originally Posted by yelohamr
After you climb down off of your ego and aren't too dizzy, read this:
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009...carry-faq.htmlOh fawk....another OC.org idiot.
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FJDave doesn't like you. He is also the chairman of the LAPD community relations squad.

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OUCH!

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Can anyone see the worried look on my face? Neither do I.

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Hello yelohamr,

Thanks for posting on the police forum. You did a good job. I am paraphrasing what you wrote: ...if you repeat an untruth many times, a person begins to believe it...

Sac Man definately believes his own stuff. Wow, the Kali cops really appear to be ignorant, hay-seed hicks. The out-of-statepolice that posted are patriots.

I tried to register at that forum so that I could quote the other LEO and DA's from Kalifornia who disagree with the LA DAs office regarding detentions during a 12031(e) check.

During my scouting trip through BLM land last Tuesday, I LOCed. "Nature" lovers assumedand asked what I was hunting for. I gave them the speel that I don't need to be hunting to opencarry a sidearm or rifle. I was in an area that was closed to target shooting; however, hunting with firearms is legal in that area, and I had my hunting license and pig tags as I was scouting--and definately would have reduced an animal to "take" if I had found a pig, jack rabbit, or coyote.

It is sad that we need to educate Kali police regarding our 4th and 5th amendment rights as explained in plain english by SCOTUS and its inferior courts, including Kali courts.

The citizen who was violated with his wife (or girlfriend) and child by Sac Man handled himself well. I wonder if his mags were visible while in his pocket or if they were completely concealed. I also wonder howa jury would rule regarding complete concealment of a mag vs. partial concealment--after all, mag holsters do partially conceal the mags (just wondering in writing).

Again, thanks for your service on that police forum!

markm

(BO, the new Hugo Chavez!)

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Thanks Mark. Welcome to the forum.

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Man, that FJDave is quite a character:

"Yeah, that decision is way above my pay grade ;-) But I do use all of the tools in my belt until they are taken away....it tends to keep me and my partners safer in the long run."

So, now you've got a cop basically saying "f*** what's right! I only care about what benefits me."

You may want to mention that, apparently, that sameDA is blocking a PRAR request about an incident where cops acted the way the DA recommended.

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Hmm... http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/off-topic-discussion/60473-ask-police-officer-thread-64.html#post1240654 and got banned and nobody know why, but... http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/off-topic-discussion/60473-ask-police-officer-thread-63.html#post1176824

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yelohamr wrote:

Wc wrote:

Gundude wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by yelohamr
After you climb down off of your ego and aren't too dizzy, read this:
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009...carry-faq.htmlOh fawk....another OC.org idiot.
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FJDave doesn't like you. He is also the chairman of the LAPD community relations squad.

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OUCH!

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Can anyone see the worried look on my face? Neither do I.

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Are you sure is hethe police or sheriff? (LAPD or LACSD) Cause I found a link is claimed to be the sheriff in 2007 unless he been transfer.

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Wc wrote:

yelohamr wrote:

Wc wrote:

Gundude wrote:

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Originally Posted by yelohamr
After you climb down off of your ego and aren't too dizzy, read this:
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009...carry-faq.htmlOh fawk....another OC.org idiot.
__________________

FJDave doesn't like you. He is also the chairman of the LAPD community relations squad.

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OUCH!

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Can anyone see the worried look on my face? Neither do I.

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Are you sure is hethe police or sheriff? (LAPD or LACSD) Cause I found a link is claimed to be the sheriff in 2007 unless he been transfer.

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You missed the sarcasm.

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An officer from AZ has the right idea:

"How odd, everywhere else O.C. is practiced, no-one seems to "freak out". Californians clearly do not have the same fortitude as the rest of the country... Except that maybe they do, since I've never heard of anyone "freaking out" there either... except for police, government officials and the rather silly Brady group.

I'll note also that somehow, police in other states seem to be able to train on how to deal with O.C.ers without violating their Civil Rights. I guess California police might not qualify for other states forces?

As for "unsafe", please explain. Is the firearm going to leap out of its holster and run out into traffic?"

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Yelohmr,

Good job with the quote from San Diego.

Here is a copy of what yelohmrquoted for the edification ofthe bottom-barrel cop (FJDave) on the site in question:

"LA DDA Devallis Rutledge, in his “One Minute Brief” training bulletin dated 12/23/08 cites Hibel v. Sixth Judicial District (2004) 542 US 177 and states that “the incidental detention of the armed individual justifies a demand for ID, allowing age verification and a data-base check for information about any disqualification to possess firearms.” The problem is that Nevada has a specific statute that essentially makes it aq PC 148 if you don't identify yourself during a lawful detention. California does not have such a statute and there is case law (In re Gregory S. (1980) 112 Cal. 3D 764) which suggests that it is not a PC 148 to fail to identify oneself during an investigative stop. If you decide that the situation demands a series of database checks to ensure the individual may legally carry this gun then you need to document the reasons for doing so making sure you describe your observations and conclusions."

That was worth reviewing again.

WAY TO GO YELOHMR!

markm

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Update on LEO's first encounter thread:

A poster named L1C has blown the doors off Sac Man and FJdave. They had better hopethe guy they detained does not follow these threads.

The story regarding NM officers being denied immunity from civil liability for violating 4thA creator granted and constitutionally garaunteed rights. The story is being updated as a judgement has been made creating a $21,000 liability for the police officers involved in the 4thA violation in NM.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2782-DC-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m9d9-Federal-judge-rules-police-cannot-detain-people-for-openly-carrying-guns

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142308&page=8

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System's posted errors.

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yelohamr wrote:

Wc wrote:

yelohamr wrote:

Wc wrote:

Gundude wrote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by yelohamr
After you climb down off of your ego and aren't too dizzy, read this:
http://caopencarry.blogspot.com/2009...carry-faq.htmlOh fawk....another OC.org idiot.
__________________

FJDave doesn't like you. He is also the chairman of the LAPD community relations squad.

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OUCH!

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Can anyone see the worried look on my face? Neither do I.

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Are you sure is hethe police or sheriff? (LAPD or LACSD) Cause I found a link is claimed to be the sheriff in 2007 unless he been transfer.

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You missed the sarcasm.

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You means supersarcasm:question::lol:Maybe not. I meant Gundudefor confirmed. Thanks:exclaim:

Sarcasm is just one more service we offer. Things you’d love to says at blogs…But can’t!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okpxGGd2sVQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCNLiHmEUxA&feature=player_embedded
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Well done. It seems to be about 50/50 on that thread. Half of the LEOs have a reasonable understanding of the law/case law, and the other half don't seem to care much as long as their DA gives them the go-ahead. Somewhat disturbing, really. I'm just glad the LE attitude in my neck of the woods toward OC is MUCH warmer than what is experienced in Sacramento and LA. Amazing.

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eventhorizon000 wrote:

Gundude wrote:

You gotta read this stuff.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142308

They are watching us too LOL. :what:

If they keep discussing it they will get it right......maybe.

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Boy, I took 3 pages of posts before the concealed carry of a loaded magazine was pointed out, and by a LEO from Ohio. Holy crap do any of these guys do any research on the laws they enforce?

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NO they don't--they are right from the beginning---the police are naturally right, and anyone who is not a member of their "thin blue line" is naturally and continually wrong....

that is why official complaints are your friend--use them, and use them as often as opportunity presents itself.

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Just what we need, thugs open carrying. If you're going to carry a firearm openly at least dress nicely instead of giving us a bad image.

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MarkBofRAdvocate wrote:

Update on LEO's first encounter thread:

A poster named L1C has blown the doors off Sac Man and FJdave. They had better hopethe guy they detained does not follow these threads.

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Anyone want to throw out three guesses as to who L1C is?

I think I know...