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    Where do Indian Casinos (sorry not PC but "Native American Casinos" just doesn't sound right)fall under OC laws.

    If not covered, I'd think that would be the kind of place that it wouldn't be a greatfor welcoming OC???


    OR has anyone ever has an experience carrying in one?

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    Well, first of all they serve alcohol for consumption. I go to Ho Chunk near the Dells and they have "no weapons" signs up. I had carried rather conspicuous knives in there numerous times and eventually, one day, a security guard noticed it and told me I couldn't have it in the casino. I was about to leave anyway and told him that and he said "no problem." He said they were instructed to call the sheriff's department if they spotted anyone with a gun in the casino.

    The whole interplay between state law and Indian tribes is an interesting question in my mind, and I don't understand how it works. Indian tribes are considered "sovereign nations" on one hand, but still seem to come under certain state laws. So maybe some can explain how that all works.

    I had no problems with lightly concealed guns in casinos in South Dakota, well, I had a problem winning money there... but that's another story...
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    I just figured if, likePotawatomi in Milwaukee, I never thought about the drinks, as they don't "Serve" to the playing area, but now that you mention it, they do have a bar in the place.



    Guess that answers that.



    Originally posted as I thought someplace with the gambling and all that cash just wouldn't be a great place to show up with a handgun on your hip.

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    Ho Chunk does serve beer throughout the playing area.

    As far as the cash goes... I seem to remember not too long ago a woman was followed home and robbed after winning big at the casino. It might have happened in Madison, but I don't remember the details very well.
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    Sovereign Nations, they have their own laws, while many of them closely mimic federal and the laws of the state they are located in.

    I expect cobbersmom to add to this too,
    Lac Du Flambeau WI, If you are not a card carrying member of the Lac Du Flambeauband of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, you are not even allowed to possess a firearm on tribal property. Cased, or otherwise,
    That would mean roads, lands and buildings owned by the tribe which includes their casino.

    No Doug, I cannot cite my source with a link to back it up because the local tribe does not maintain a website with tribal laws listed.

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    All Ho-Chunk casino's have signs banning weapons. But don't most serve alcohol anyhow?
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    Nutczak wrote:
    Sovereign Nations, they have their own laws, while many of them closely mimic federal and the laws of the state they are located in.
    I expect cobbersmom to add to this too,
    Lac Du Flambeau WI, If you are not a card carrying member of the Lac Du Flambeauband of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, you are not even allowed to possess a firearm on tribal property. Cased, or otherwise,
    That would mean roads, lands and buildings owned by the tribe which includes their casino.
    Yea, what he said about tribal land.
    Want something in writing? Good luck, there usually isn't anything. AND, if you are stopped by tribal cops on or OFF the reservation, you can't (or won't be able to) get any records thru FOIA.
    http://www.lakelandtimes.com/main.as...rticleID=11123
    In other words, keep your nose clean on a reservation. Up here most of the roads on the rez are county and town. The few tribal roads are usually thru tracts of tribal land or piecemealed in a few tribal residential areas. I wouldn't want to be stopped for serious driving infractions if I had any of my unloaded and encased guns in my car. Then again, if your driving is bad enough to warrant a search, you deserve whatever is coming to you <g>. If you're traveling to casinos on a reservation, I still wouldn't worry about leaving my gun in the car. The cops don't go around searching the cars of non tribal folks. But I would worry about the kids in the neighborhood who like breaking into the cars..............

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    Cobbersmom wrote:
    Then again, if your driving is bad enough to warrant a search, you deserve whatever is coming to you <g>.
    So, no Fourth Amendment rights?

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    I do not understand how a tribal police officer can arrest anyone "off the reservation". Does this mean that tribal police have basically unlimited police power in the entire state?
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    rcawdor57 wrote:
    I do not understand how a tribal police officer can arrest anyone "off the reservation". Does this mean that tribal police have basically unlimited police power in the entire state?
    Huh, What? NO!
    Tribal police got rez lands only.
    What Cobbersmom and myself are trying to get across is that technically when on the Rez, You are in a different country located within the the boundaries of The US.
    Many of the rules rights and regulations are the same, but there are subtle differences you must be aware of.

    Some of the rights you haveas an American citizen, may notapply on the Rez.. And this can all be different between different tribes. Most laws do closely mimic laws in the state in which they are located in, so it is not like travelling around the world and worrying about being thrown in jail for some weird unknown thing.



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    I do understand what you guys said. Sorry, I wasn't very precise. In the article linked by Cobbersmom it states that the tribal police can arrest ON AND OFF the reservations.

    Long article but it does indeed state that. How can that be legal?
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    OK. I looked through the article again. Here is a snippet from the article:

    That means police reports and records related to arrests and other law enforcement actions by tribal police officers outside their reservations' borders against nontribal citizens would not available for public inspection under the state's open records laws.


    I think there is more but I got tired of looking through every paragraph.


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    the only thing anyone ever said to me on a rez was, the little bags are 20 and the big bags are 40
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    rcawdor57 wrote:
    I do understand what you guys said. Sorry, I wasn't very precise. In the article linked by Cobbersmom it states that the tribal police can arrest ON AND OFF the reservations.
    Long article but it does indeed state that. How can that be legal?
    It's mutual aid kind of stuff. Technically a tribal officer can't do anything off the rez unless he's asked by the department that has jurisdiction. It's like when a cop from Minocqua (Oneida Co.) needs extra help from Vilas Co.; a lieutenant from the Vilas county has to approve one/some of his going to mutual aid. Last I heard, a tribal cop can't request mutual aid from outside the rez. He would have to request the sheriff dept. in his county to request mutual aid from another agency. It never seems to be a problem. The problem mentioned in the article is basically about the public records stuff. So if a tribal cop is helping outside of his jurisdiction, and you request a FOIA from tribal police, they can tell you to stuff it.

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    Ask the Wisconsin Towns Association or the http://sunshinereview.org

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