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    Wildwood does not allow OC on "public property".
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    Hi mspgunner
    I know this is a town you have had dealings with. I have read there codes, and can find no violation that disallows OC on public streets. Can you please tell me what the charge would be for OC in Wildwood. Or are referring to them trumping up something because they personally don't like it?

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    This is from the Wildwood Police in reference to my finding out if we could OC at a picnic in Babler State Park: Try to get written permission - Joke!

    I am trying to get written permission from either the Park or DNR - I doubt it, but I'm trying.

    Mr. Perez,



    I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.



    Obviously, this doesn’t not affect those of your group, who possesses the “concealed carry” endorsement, and keep the weapon concealed and follow the terms of the endorsement.



    Therefore, I would recommend you contact the parks superintendant and make arrangements with them to hold your gathering and obtain the written documentation.



    I hope this answers your question as to the legality of the open carry within the park. As far as openly carrying within the city limits, I believe PO Brad Wood has covered that portion through corresponding emails earlier this month.



    Please let me know if you should have any other questions or concerns.



    Sgt. Jim Molden

    Watch Supervisor \ Wildwood Precinct \ 17014 New College Ave. \ Wildwood MO 63040 \ Station 636-458-9194 \ Fax 636-458-4839


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    mspgunner,

    Do you have a copy of the email from PO Brad Wood that they are referring to. I want to see the divisive spin that they are putting on the law that they are trying to say makes OC illegal in Wildwood.

    Thanks Doc

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    See the above post - It is from the Wildwood Police. I spoke to them in person and via email. Trust me, if you OC in Wildwood they will arrest you if you are on public land or private land without permission of the land owner.
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    By there own code Webster Groves is legal to OC with a CCW. and here is ther entire weopons code.



    Sec. 70.225. Unlawful Use of Weapons Including Concealed Weapons.



    A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:


    1.Carries concealed upon or about his or her persons a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or


    2.Sets a spring gun; or


    3.Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or


    4.Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or


    5.Possesses or discharges a firearm or projective weapon while intoxicated; or


    6.Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or


    7.Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or


    8.Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use, either openly or concealed, on any street, sidewalk, alley, way, park or other City-owned property or into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct or any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or (Ord. No. 8607 §1, 10-21-08)


    9.Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, RSMo, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or


    10.Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.


    11.Subdivisions (1), (3), (4), (6), (7), (8) (9) and (10) of this section shall not apply to or affect any of the following:


    a. All state, county and municipal peace officers possessing the duty and power of arrest for violation of the general criminal laws of the state or for violation of ordinances of counties or municipalities of the state whether such officers are within or outside their jurisdictions or on or off duty, or any person summoned by such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;

    b.Wardens, superintendents and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime;

    c.Members of the Armed Forces or National Guard while performing their official duty;

    d.Those persons vested by article V, section 1 of the Constitution of Missouri with the judicial power of the state and those persons vested by article III of the Constitution of the Untied States with the judicial power of the Untied States, the members of the federal judiciary;

    e.Any person whose bona fide duty is to execute process, civil or criminal;

    f.Any federal probation officer;

    g.Any state probation or parole officers, including supervisors and members of the board of probation and parole; and

    h.Any corporate security advisor meeting the definition and fulfilling the requirements of the regulations established by the board of police commissioners under section 84.340, RSMo.

    i.any coroner, deputy coroner, medical examiner or assistant medical
    examiner.


    12.Subdivisions (1), (5), (8) and (10) of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event.


    13.Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to section 571.094 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.


    14.Subdivisions (3), (4), (5), (6) (7), (8), (9), and (10) of this section shall not apply to persons who are engaged in a lawful act of defense pursuant to section 563.031, RSMo.



    15.Nothing in this section shall make it unlawful for a student to actually participate in school-sanctioned gun safety courses, student military or ROTC courses, or other school-sponsored firearm related events, provided the student does not carry a firearm or other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any other function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.


    16.Any person knowingly aiding or abetting any other person in the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be subject to the same penalty as that prescribed by this section for violations by other persons.


    17.Violations of this section shall be subject to the penalties set forth in Section70.620.



    18.The carrying of firearms in city buildings shall be further limited as follows:


    a. No person who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement by the Missouri Director of Revenue under Section 571.094 RSMo or who has been issued a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state, shall, by authority of that endorsement or permit, be allowed to carry a concealed firearm or to openly carry a firearm in any building or portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by the city.

    b.Signs shall be posted at each entrance of a building entirely owned, leased or controlled by the city stating that carrying of firearms is prohibited. Where the city owns, leases or controls only a portion of a building, signs shall be posted at each entrance to that portion of the building stating that carrying of firearms is prohibited.

    c.This subsection shall not apply to buildings used for public housing by private persons, highways or rest areas, firing ranges, or private dwellings owned, leased or controlled by the city.

    d.Any person violating this subsection may be denied entrance to the building or ordered to leave the building. Any city employee violating this section may be disciplined. No other penalty shall be imposed for a violation of this subsection (18) only. Violations of all other subsections shall be subject to the penalties set forth in Section 70.620.

    e.No person who has been issued a certificate of qualification which allows the person to carry a concealed firearm before the director of revenue begins issuing concealed carry endorsements in July 2004, shall, by authority of that certificate, be allowed to carry a concealed firearm or to openly carry a firearm in any building or portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by the city. (Ord. No. 8374 § 1, 10-21-03)

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    mspgunner wrote:
    This is from the Wildwood Police in reference to my finding out if we could OC at a picnic in Babler State Park: Try to get written permission - Joke!

    I am trying to get written permission from either the Park or DNR - I doubt it, but I'm trying.

    Mr. Perez,



    I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.



    Obviously, this doesn’t not affect those of your group, who possesses the “concealed carry” endorsement, and keep the weapon concealed and follow the terms of the endorsement.



    Therefore, I would recommend you contact the parks superintendant and make arrangements with them to hold your gathering and obtain the written documentation.



    I hope this answers your question as to the legality of the open carry within the park. As far as openly carrying within the city limits, I believe PO Brad Wood has covered that portion through corresponding emails earlier this month.



    Please let me know if you should have any other questions or concerns.



    Sgt. Jim Molden

    Watch Supervisor Wildwood Precinct 17014 New College Ave. Wildwood MO 63040 Station 636-458-9194 Fax 636-458-4839

    Hey msp,

    After the bar-b-que, I got to thinking about this response. I think I have discovered a question you can ask to "turn the tables" on Sgt. Molden.

    Wildwood statutes state that open carry is illegal, then goes on to exempt police officers in one paragraph. In the next paragraph, it exempts CCW permit holders.

    Sgt. Molden has given you a written opinion that CCW holders would still need written permission to openly carry a firearm in the park.

    Where is the exemption for police officers?

    After all, we can see an exemption for OC in the statute for both police officers and civilian CCW holders.

    If we also need written permission to enter the park..........

    I fail to see any exemption for police officers to enter the park without it.

    If we break the law by OC'ing in Babler State Park without written permission stating our specificpersonal information, specific type of firearm to be carried, and specific date and time that we will be carrying it, police officers who fail to do soALSO BREAK THE LAW.

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    Sure,

    I agree, but they are the police.Am I going to try to arrest an officer.... I don't think so. I'm working on it. Working through the Mayor, I'll let you kinow his response.



    Superlite27 wrote:
    mspgunner wrote:
    This is from the Wildwood Police in reference to my finding out if we could OC at a picnic in Babler State Park: Try to get written permission - Joke!

    I am trying to get written permission from either the Park or DNR - I doubt it, but I'm trying.

    Mr. Perez,



    I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.



    Obviously, this doesn’t not affect those of your group, who possesses the “concealed carry” endorsement, and keep the weapon concealed and follow the terms of the endorsement.



    Therefore, I would recommend you contact the parks superintendant and make arrangements with them to hold your gathering and obtain the written documentation.



    I hope this answers your question as to the legality of the open carry within the park. As far as openly carrying within the city limits, I believe PO Brad Wood has covered that portion through corresponding emails earlier this month.



    Please let me know if you should have any other questions or concerns.



    Sgt. Jim Molden

    Watch Supervisor Wildwood Precinct 17014 New College Ave. Wildwood MO 63040 Station 636-458-9194 Fax 636-458-4839

    Hey msp,

    After the bar-b-que, I got to thinking about this response. I think I have discovered a question you can ask to "turn the tables" on Sgt. Molden.

    Wildwood statutes state that open carry is illegal, then goes on to exempt police officers in one paragraph. In the next paragraph, it exempts CCW permit holders.

    Sgt. Molden has given you a written opinion that CCW holders would still need written permission to openly carry a firearm in the park.

    Where is the exemption for police officers?

    After all, we can see an exemption for OC in the statute for both police officers and civilian CCW holders.

    If we also need written permission to enter the park..........

    I fail to see any exemption for police officers to enter the park without it.

    If we break the law by OC'ing in Babler State Park without written permission stating our specificpersonal information, specific type of firearm to be carried, and specific date and time that we will be carrying it, police officers who fail to do soALSO BREAK THE LAW.
    If you pull it, you use it. If you pull it and you don't use it, you've done some thing wrong and you might not get another chance. Think about it before you pack it!
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    Frontenac has just been added to the list as a OC legal municipality, Feel free to read the codes for yourself at

    http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/frontenac-slp/

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    sohighlyunlikely wrote:
    Frontenac has just been added to the list as a OC legal municipality, Feel free to read the codes for yourself at

    http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/frontenac-slp/

    Doc
    Man I wish the state wide thing would fly. It took me almost five minutes to find that after you gave me the link.

    what is legal on one side of the street should be legal on both sides.
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    Manchester does allow open carry, but you have to take a class that they hold, not just with a CCW That is what I was told over the phone at least, they could be bullshitting me.

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    but you have to take a class that they hold

    Did you happen to inquire as to:

    1) Who is "they"?

    2) Who teaches the class?

    3) How long is it? (8 hours? 10 days? A semester?)

    4) Where is it held? (date/time/location)

    5) Do they offer certification/licence/permit?

    6a) If yes, who recognizes it?When I get the "OCpermit", does it allow me to OC downtown?

    6b) If no, what is the point?

    7) Who governs what cirriculum is included? (i.e. Does the Governor insist on section covering hosler types such as retention, IWB, leather etc.? Or is it the police chief? or maybe the mayor?)

    8) Where is the authority to "teach" OC cirriculum provided for? (Is this a fundedmandate?) After all, I'm a taxpayer. I don't remember voting for a new "O.C. Class" to be taught using my tax dollars.

    9) Where is the requirement for this class covered in Revised Missouri Statutes? What chapter? (I must have missed it.)

    10) If it isn't in RMoS, what chapter in Mancester code references this "class"? (I must have missed it.)

    11) If it isn't in RMoS, or Manchester City code, is it a memo or something?

    12) If it is a memo, who wrote it?

    13) After we find out who wrote it, what authority do they have?

    Cause if they can write a memo that is enforceable by the police......

    ....wouldn't this be a strange kind of government operation? After all, I am completely unaware of any city in Missouri that is governed by it's own dictatorship. Manchester must be the first.

    All hail the almighty writer of memos!

    Couldn't this memo writer also write a memo requiring you to take a typing class in order to openly write a letter in Manchester?

    I would be interested in who informed you of this requirement so I could be informed as well. Please offer me his or her contact information so Imay have my questions addressed.

    Thanks!

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    Today I went to 3 municipalities that do not have their ordinances online to see there ordinances books.

    Vinita Park was easy. They let me sit at a desk and once I found the codes I wanted they made copy's for a dime a page. Per their code:section 210.250. Open carry is legal if you have a CCW and I will be adding them to the list.

    Woodson Terrace has an antiquated code book system and that didn't seemed updated and I could not find anything that dis-allowed OC but they had everything out of context all over the place so I am going to be speaking with the Chief of police to get a quote from him any law making OC illegal. I will not be adding them to the list yet.

    Charlack would not let me see the code book andOfficer Chavez stated it isillegal in this state. I said I beg to differ and quoted the laws allowing OC in Missouri and that got him to find the weapon code for Charlack and he read several aloud and read for about 45min from behind his bullet proof glass,before he gave in and said "well it looks like it is legal in Charlack but you better be careful most businesses here have no weapons signs and to stay off school property and out of the library with a firearm" I am adding Charlack to the OC with a CCW as I couldn't get my hands on the books to really check through it for myself.

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    I see Charlack listed in Sullivan pubs:

    http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/codes-slp/

    Hope the link works.

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    Superlite27 wrote:
    I see Charlack listed in Sullivan pubs:

    http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/codes-slp/

    Hope the link works.
    Thanks SL,

    I don't know How I missed that. Ialready hadCharlackon the OC list. When I do my next update I'll fix that. I have info on U City and I need to get with Chief of police of Woodson Terrace. (there ordinance books are a mess) We have been playing phone tag for 2 days.

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    Added U-City to the illegal to OC. Though It's law is written like the California state law so You may be legal if you carry unloaded with your mags on your other hip. Not a theory I have time to work on. If you wish to debate it I suggest starting a new thread and doing so. Here is there law as they have it written.

    9.24.080 Open carrying of firearmsprohibited--Exceptions.


    A.No person shall openly carry a firearmreadily capable of lethal use.

    B.This section shall not apply to any person listed in subsection B of Section 9.24.030.

    (Ord. 6450 § 1, 2003)

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    I've just added Brentwood as a legal OC municipality, They have very few of there own weapons ordinances. You can see through going to their website.http://brentwoodmo.org/ Look in government/city ordinancesunder Chapter 13......ARTICLE VIII

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    I've just added Des Pères as OC legalper their ordinances that can be gotten to through there city home page.

    As well I have added Woodson Terrace to the legal OC list. There ordinances are not available online or at the city hall. But after 6 phone calls and a documented meeting The police chief who had counseled with the city attorneyadmitted they have no ordinances against OC but that he felt it was a matter that would cause a peace disturbance and did not recommend it.Oddly I found him to be a nice guy and reasonable. He just had an agenda that was different than mine.

    My guess he is bluffing and he knows it would be a false charge, but ifnot. IMHO I would take the charge and gladly sue the city for a nice paycheck.

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    Just added Black Jack and Ferguson to OC legal on the list. References can be found at. http://www.municode.com/Library/Clie...spx?stateID=25

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    Just added the city Crestwood to the OC LEGAL list. There codes are directly linked to the cities home page here http://www.ci.crestwood.mo.us/There are no OC specific restrictions written into their code. Other than maybe this oddly worded law that I have not seen inany other municipality. Gun +area with possible animals = violation.

    Sec. 16-6. Hunting.


    (a)No person shall hunt any wild game, birds or animals with firearms, airguns, air-rifles or bows and arrows within the city.

    (b)It shall be prima facie evidence and proof of the violation of this section if it is established that any person carrying firearms or airguns or air-rifles and cartridges, bullets or missiles adapted thereto, whether such person is accompanied by hunting dogs or not, is found in any open fields, woods, lots or other places where wild game, birds or animals may reasonably be expected to be found.

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    As per

    http://library3.municode.com/default...ction=whatsnew

    22-103 it appears that Maplewood is OC legal.

    But like crestwood
    http://library3.municode.com/default...ction=whatsnew

    23-37(E)(7), not in parks due to "hunting and wildlife" concerns

    And as per
    http://www.kirkwoodmo.org/admin/city...apter%2017.pdf

    17-131

    kirkwood, mo also does not have any law against OC, but no go in parks sec 18-9

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    Justin wrote:
    As per

    http://library3.municode.com/default...ction=whatsnew

    22-103 it appears that Maplewood is OC legal.

    But like Crestwood
    http://library3.municode.com/default...ction=whatsnew

    23-37(E)(7), not in parks due to "hunting and wildlife" concerns

    And as per
    http://www.kirkwoodmo.org/admin/city...apter%2017.pdf

    17-131

    Kirkwood, mo also does not have any law against OC, but no go in parks sec 18-9

    Kirkwood has no restrictions listed on their website but it also says that the codes listed aren't complete and to inquire with them to check on any specific laws. Next time I am in their area I plan on going down to city hall and looking at the codes if allowed to.

    I will check Maplewood and put them on the list as soon as I do my next update.

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    Superlite27 wrote:
    but you have to take a class that they hold

    Did you happen to inquire as to:

    1) Who is "they"?

    2) Who teaches the class?

    3) How long is it? (8 hours? 10 days? A semester?)

    4) Where is it held? (date/time/location)

    5) Do they offer certification/licence/permit?

    6a) If yes, who recognizes it?When I get the "OCpermit", does it allow me to OC downtown?

    6b) If no, what is the point?

    7) Who governs what cirriculum is included? (i.e. Does the Governor insist on section covering hosler types such as retention, IWB, leather etc.? Or is it the police chief? or maybe the mayor?)

    8) Where is the authority to "teach" OC cirriculum provided for? (Is this a fundedmandate?) After all, I'm a taxpayer. I don't remember voting for a new "O.C. Class" to be taught using my tax dollars.

    9) Where is the requirement for this class covered in Revised Missouri Statutes? What chapter? (I must have missed it.)

    10) If it isn't in RMoS, what chapter in Mancester code references this "class"? (I must have missed it.)

    11) If it isn't in RMoS, or Manchester City code, is it a memo or something?

    12) If it is a memo, who wrote it?

    13) After we find out who wrote it, what authority do they have?

    Cause if they can write a memo that is enforceable by the police......

    ....wouldn't this be a strange kind of government operation? After all, I am completely unaware of any city in Missouri that is governed by it's own dictatorship. Manchester must be the first.

    All hail the almighty writer of memos!

    Couldn't this memo writer also write a memo requiring you to take a typing class in order to openly write a letter in Manchester?

    I would be interested in who informed you of this requirement so I could be informed as well. Please offer me his or her contact information so Imay have my questions addressed.

    Thanks!
    It is definitely not in City ordinance but the information I got when I called the Manchester police station and redirected to their 'subject matter expert', don't remember the name, was that the police department had a class that you had to take before you could legally open carry. Seeing as how it's not in the ordinance it seems just like they are trying to ******** their way into making you think it's illegal. You could call most stations and get different answers each time you called as long as you talk to a different person each time. Until then I'll just go by the ordinances and have fun debating laws with the cops.

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    Jennings and Maplewood added to the list. Jenning has a clause that among other things says that you can't carry a firearm into a public gathering place.

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