sohighlyunlikely
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This is from the Wildwood Police in reference to my finding out if we could OC at a picnic in Babler State Park: Try to get written permission - Joke!
I am trying to get written permission from either the Park or DNR - I doubt it, but I'm trying.
Mr. Perez,
I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.
Obviously, this doesn’t not affect those of your group, who possesses the “concealed carry” endorsement, and keep the weapon concealed and follow the terms of the endorsement.
Therefore, I would recommend you contact the parks superintendant and make arrangements with them to hold your gathering and obtain the written documentation.
I hope this answers your question as to the legality of the open carry within the park. As far as openly carrying within the city limits, I believe PO Brad Wood has covered that portion through corresponding emails earlier this month.
Please let me know if you should have any other questions or concerns.
Sgt. Jim Molden
Watch Supervisor Wildwood Precinct 17014 New College Ave. Wildwood MO 63040 Station 636-458-9194 Fax 636-458-4839
mspgunner wrote:This is from the Wildwood Police in reference to my finding out if we could OC at a picnic in Babler State Park: Try to get written permission - Joke!
I am trying to get written permission from either the Park or DNR - I doubt it, but I'm trying.
Mr. Perez,
I have found even though, through the email you provided from Major Hoover, the state does not regulate open carry within their parks. However, since the park falls within the city limits of Wildwood; Wildwood Ordinances do apply. Under Wildwood Ordinance, more specifically section 210.220, you may carry openly however; each individual wishing to do so, must first obtain written permission from the owner, lessee or person in charge of the premise. This document must be carried on their person at all times when on the property. It is also the discretion of the landowner to limit what type of firearm can be carried and must be identified in the letter. Ones failure to comply with this does constitute a violation and are subject to prosecution and seizure of their weapon.
Obviously, this doesn’t not affect those of your group, who possesses the “concealed carry” endorsement, and keep the weapon concealed and follow the terms of the endorsement.
Therefore, I would recommend you contact the parks superintendant and make arrangements with them to hold your gathering and obtain the written documentation.
I hope this answers your question as to the legality of the open carry within the park. As far as openly carrying within the city limits, I believe PO Brad Wood has covered that portion through corresponding emails earlier this month.
Please let me know if you should have any other questions or concerns.
Sgt. Jim Molden
Watch Supervisor Wildwood Precinct 17014 New College Ave. Wildwood MO 63040 Station 636-458-9194 Fax 636-458-4839
Hey msp,
After the bar-b-que, I got to thinking about this response. I think I have discovered a question you can ask to "turn the tables" on Sgt. Molden.
Wildwood statutes state that open carry is illegal, then goes on to exempt police officers in one paragraph. In the next paragraph, it exempts CCW permit holders.
Sgt. Molden has given you a written opinion that CCW holders would still need written permission to openly carry a firearm in the park.
Where is the exemption for police officers?
After all, we can see an exemption for OC in the statute for both police officers and civilian CCW holders.
If we also need written permission to enter the park..........
I fail to see any exemption for police officers to enter the park without it.
If we break the law by OC'ing in Babler State Park without written permission stating our specificpersonal information, specific type of firearm to be carried, and specific date and time that we will be carrying it, police officers who fail to do soALSO BREAK THE LAW.
Man I wish the state wide thing would fly. It took me almost five minutes to find that after you gave me the link.Frontenac has just been added to the list as a OC legal municipality, Feel free to read the codes for yourself at
http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/frontenac-slp/
Doc
but you have to take a class that they hold
I see Charlack listed in Sullivan pubs:
http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/codes-slp/
Hope the link works.