SIGfreed
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I went to Mercy Hospital in Muskegon yesterday to visit with a friend. I had been in the building about 20 min. when 2 security personal located me in the waiting room and asked to talk to me in the hall. I said of course what can I do for you? They of course inquired about my firearm and said it was hospital policy not to allow any weapons in the hospital. I informed them I saw nothing posted at the entrance to that effect, and said it was on all the doors. I informed them their doors referred directly to concealed carry, which is illegal and mine was in plain sight. They looked puzzled and said do to policy I would need to lock it in my vehicle. So I did. Upon reentryone of themasked for my name and said that I could lose my CPL for carrying like that, I smiled and saidshe was misinformed, her partner agreed and said they wouldn't follow up on anything, to which I replied, "good, because there was nothing to follow up on". Again they looked puzzled.
I had returned to the waiting room for about 10 min. when the head of security came in and said there was 2 LEO’s at the front door’s that wanted to talk to me. As we made our way to the entrance he informed me he had a CPL and knew that what I had done was against the law and I would lose my permit.:banghead: I tried to explain things to him and quickly decided to let the LEO’s handle it.
When we reached the entrance the LEO’s asked the usual questions, why were you carrying a gun, do you have a CCW, can I see your identification? Even after I gave him my CPL he asked me if I had a CCW permit, to which I replied “there is no such thing as a CCW permit”. He then asked if the gun was still in the vehicle, I said yes, he said is it covered so no one could see and possibly steal it. I informed him it was in the vehicle and you know in MI if it is in a vehicle it was concealed, he did not seem amused and told me not to be smart.
After he talked to me, and his partner talked to the security supervisor, they decided to run me for warrants (always their last ditch effort). When I came back clean his partner asked me if I understood that open carry and concealed carry were two different things and could not have it both ways. I said no I do not understand that and I believe you are wrong. He said “then we are not done yet” if you don’t understand you will have to talk to my Sgt.; do you want me to call him down here? I said sure when he gets here tell him I am in the cafeteria. He informed me I needed to wait here with them by the entrance, I said no, I had done nothing wrong and if the Sgt. wanted to talk to me he could come and find me. After checking with the hospital security to make sure they wanted me back in the building they agreed I could go about my business. I did not find out until latter that during the time I went back to the cafeteria and when the Sgt. got there they had officers at all the exits. I’m not sure what the rest of the city was doing, but they had me covered.:uhoh:
When the Sgt. arrived it was pretty short, he said he spoke to the prosecutor and what I had done was illegal, but I would not be charged this time, and if I disagreed, to investigate a little more and take it up with one of the city prosecutors. Which I fully intend to do!
I have already sent a letter to the hospital administrator outlining the legality of my actions, and my disapproval of their security staff and how they handled the encounter. Next I am going to follow up with the prosecutor, and I am undecided on requesting an FOIA.
I went to Mercy Hospital in Muskegon yesterday to visit with a friend. I had been in the building about 20 min. when 2 security personal located me in the waiting room and asked to talk to me in the hall. I said of course what can I do for you? They of course inquired about my firearm and said it was hospital policy not to allow any weapons in the hospital. I informed them I saw nothing posted at the entrance to that effect, and said it was on all the doors. I informed them their doors referred directly to concealed carry, which is illegal and mine was in plain sight. They looked puzzled and said do to policy I would need to lock it in my vehicle. So I did. Upon reentryone of themasked for my name and said that I could lose my CPL for carrying like that, I smiled and saidshe was misinformed, her partner agreed and said they wouldn't follow up on anything, to which I replied, "good, because there was nothing to follow up on". Again they looked puzzled.
I had returned to the waiting room for about 10 min. when the head of security came in and said there was 2 LEO’s at the front door’s that wanted to talk to me. As we made our way to the entrance he informed me he had a CPL and knew that what I had done was against the law and I would lose my permit.:banghead: I tried to explain things to him and quickly decided to let the LEO’s handle it.
When we reached the entrance the LEO’s asked the usual questions, why were you carrying a gun, do you have a CCW, can I see your identification? Even after I gave him my CPL he asked me if I had a CCW permit, to which I replied “there is no such thing as a CCW permit”. He then asked if the gun was still in the vehicle, I said yes, he said is it covered so no one could see and possibly steal it. I informed him it was in the vehicle and you know in MI if it is in a vehicle it was concealed, he did not seem amused and told me not to be smart.
After he talked to me, and his partner talked to the security supervisor, they decided to run me for warrants (always their last ditch effort). When I came back clean his partner asked me if I understood that open carry and concealed carry were two different things and could not have it both ways. I said no I do not understand that and I believe you are wrong. He said “then we are not done yet” if you don’t understand you will have to talk to my Sgt.; do you want me to call him down here? I said sure when he gets here tell him I am in the cafeteria. He informed me I needed to wait here with them by the entrance, I said no, I had done nothing wrong and if the Sgt. wanted to talk to me he could come and find me. After checking with the hospital security to make sure they wanted me back in the building they agreed I could go about my business. I did not find out until latter that during the time I went back to the cafeteria and when the Sgt. got there they had officers at all the exits. I’m not sure what the rest of the city was doing, but they had me covered.:uhoh:
When the Sgt. arrived it was pretty short, he said he spoke to the prosecutor and what I had done was illegal, but I would not be charged this time, and if I disagreed, to investigate a little more and take it up with one of the city prosecutors. Which I fully intend to do!
I have already sent a letter to the hospital administrator outlining the legality of my actions, and my disapproval of their security staff and how they handled the encounter. Next I am going to follow up with the prosecutor, and I am undecided on requesting an FOIA.