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I think you hit the nail on the head with your last statement ... you had an opportunity to either demonstrate to law enforcement that we're responsible, law abiding citizens, who want to work with them to keep everyone safe ... or smart a$$es who are looking to trip them up on technicalities to make them look stupid.
Personally ... I think "option A" (which you took) is the much better choice (for the entire OC community).
As to the statute you cited ... I'm not sure it really applies here. What you have in this situation is a security guard essentially testifying to the LEO that "I observed this individual (you) breaking the law (i.e. carrying in a PFZ)." Until the LEO can establish that you WERE NOT breaking the law (because you have a valid CPL) I think he/she has RAS and can investigate, detain you if necessary, and even arrest you if he can't establish that what you were legal (which would have been the case had you refused to show your CPL).
Think of it this way: suppose someone observes you breaking into your OWN HOUSE (because you accidentally locked yourself out). What you're doing is perfectly legal, but neither the observer, nor the cops who show up, know that.
The cops will no doubt ask you to provide ID and prove that you live there (because just about EVERY bad guy who really IS doing a B&E claims that this is his house, his Mom's house, his girlfriend's house, his cousin's house etc.)
What do you think will happen if you say: "NO! I have no legal obligation to identify myself to you. Go away!"
You're going to get arrested ... this is actually pretty similar to the incident that triggered the famous "Obama beer summit" from a few years ago.
SIGfreed wrote:
Okafter readinghere in 28.425f, I agree disclosure of a CPL is not required when OC'ing in a GFZ even though one is required to do so.
[align=left]28.425f Concealed pistol license; possession; disclosure; violation; penalty; seizure; forfeiture.[/align]
[align=left]Sec. 5f. (1) An individual who is licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol shall have his or her license to carry that[/align]
[align=left]pistol in his or her possession at all times he or she is carrying a concealed pistol.[/align]
[align=left](2) An individual who is licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol shall show[/align]
[align=left]both of the following to a peace officer upon request by that peace officer:[/align]
[align=left](a) His or her license to carry a concealed pistol.[/align]
[align=left](b) His or her driver license or Michigan personal identification card.[/align]
[align=left](3) An individual licensed under this act to carry a concealed pistol and who is carrying a concealed pistol and who is[/align]
[align=left]stopped by a peace officer shall immediately disclose to the peace officer that he or she is carrying a pistol concealed upon his[/align]
or her person or in his or her vehicle.
That being said, an LEO when called is obligated to make sure no laws are being broken. So, do we want to work with them or against them? I thought this site was to help educate about the legality of open carry and how to work with LE for a positive change.
