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phil teters wrote:
Unless you're coming at me with a fire arm..then expect a couple of people to have an issue. If you don't get hoosed down with OC, or a taser first !
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So you believe that direction of travel + proximity + lawfull carry of a firearm is grounds for you to use a tazer and pepper spray.

Gee, that's kinda funny. Totally wrong, but funny.
 
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...many agencies have policies that if they resopnd..they HAVE to make contact...  
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Would that not be an unlawful order if no crime has been committed? I believe they have a duty to ignore all unlawful orders even if they are written in policy.
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There's really nothing wrong with making contact, so long as the officer accepts "Have a nice day, officer" in response to their "contact."
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OK, you got me on that one. ;)
 
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If a subject advances toward me with a 'Brandished' , or 'Improperly' carried firearm, It will raise some alarm, yes.
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That's now what you said.

And this forum never advocates the ILLEGAL carry of firearms, or breaking the law... i.e. brandishing a firearm. The legal and lawfulcarry of a firearm does not, to a reasonable person, warrant alarm -- as established by RCWs + caselaw.

Excellent red herring redirect attempt, utter fail, but good try.
 
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phil teters wrote:
Dave, Norman..





-You won't catch me retracting my words. I say what I mean. Like you, I speak my mind. If a subject advances toward me with a 'Brandished' , or 'Improperly' carried firearm, It will raise some alarm, yes. I would opt for a less lethal munition, before I was to put the subject down using level 4, Or deadly force (referance : WACJTC use of force cont.) He would be lucky to even be warned about a level 2 retaliation. If it was properly carried, ie. secured in a holster, There would be no issue-what so ever.



You may think you're the alpha-male for attacking my origional post with such opinions as 'He's trolling, he's working for brady'. And so on - I am not, And I am not.



If you skip up to the origional post. I titled it 'Just a though' Not 'This is a fact, so start freaking out'



Alot of you - 'Grown men' ; Act like babies bitching because mommy is trying to take away your bottle. Eventually it will be time to come to terms with what the LE Offices don't care about - A few of them, being your 2nd Amm. Rights.



I on the other hand. Do not enforce the law. I do however work for a private agency ,with the athority to make arrests as we deem fit. I couldnt ,possible care ANY less about people freaking out about Open carry. My statement is that YOU GUYS. Not me, because I don't go there. Need to let Starbucks, And the Brady bunch breath a little. They obviously feel trapped in a corner , Which is why they are trying to reach out. I personally Hate the idea of someone telling me I cant carry a firearm. I carry, anywhere, and everywhere I NEED to . in details with my duties while working. When Not working, I carry where legal. I do NOT hide mehind my badge - and I never will. It's something Ive earned.. Not something there for the taking, Like my civil and constitutional rights.



So don't for one second throw me into the pig headed, selfish, closed-minded LEO case-file. That's not me. Im just sayin' what's wrong with letting things die down befor you're out there trying to gang up on the city council, or city officials while protesting with your ar-15s, or your Russian SKS's. Not to say that it's NOT helping. Im sure it's making an impact. But with an outlook like that.. Is it a positive one?
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ROFLMAO. Man, that is one funny post. :lol:
 
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Private agency huh? That's all I really wanted to know, thanks. Your original post just stunk of "high and mighty"ness....for lack of a better term. I don't OC very often, I wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into if you happened to work in the areas that I might OC.

Alpha male? I spent my time in the military, I'm far more comfortable being a quieter male these days.

I have never OC'd in a starbucks, and have only OC'd a rifle while hiking or hunting.

I think if you would have reworded the first part of your post nobody would have paid much attention.

As for the midol, I'm not cramping, and that was really a pretty immature shot, particularly from someone accusing others of being alpha males.
 
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phil teters wrote:
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I on the other hand. Do not enforce the law. I do however work for a private agency ,with the athority to make arrests as we deem fit.
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Ten bucks says you're a gate guard at Fort Lewis.

Just a guess.
 
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killchain wrote:
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I on the other hand. Do not enforce the law. I do however work for a private agency ,with the athority to make arrests as we deem fit.
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Ten bucks says you're a gate guard at Fort Lewis.

Just a guess.
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As long as we're guessing: Private security at a casino on tribal land?lol

Just about anyone and everyone in this countryhas the authority to make an arrest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen's_arrest#United_States
 
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Man, Phil, you must be one powerful piece of manhood if you "do however work for a private agency ,with the athority to make arrests as we deem fit." Man, the cops can't even do that. No even the FBI can act as they see fit. Both cops and FBI have to follow procedures that are based on the law, or at least what their superiors think they can get away with. But not you! What is your job title? I might ask sarcastically if it is god but any god worth his salt would make sense when he writes.

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phil teters wrote:
I was on a call the other night, in plain clothes.. with a beanie.. badge around my neck..and the lady that was at the door, was screaming and calling 911. saying there are men here to arrest my son, and they all have guns out, and they are going to kill me.. you know what 911 did?..... they hung up on her.

(we phoned in a fugitive apprehension report )
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Try Bail enforcement officer?
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BINGO!..........................We have a............er..............winner?
 
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Unless you're coming at me with a fire arm..then expect a couple of people to have an issue. If you don't get hoosed down with OC, or a taser first !
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Gotta hand it to you, Phil, you must be one tough homre ...

If a subject advances toward me with a 'Brandished' , or 'Improperly' carried firearm, It will raise some alarm, yes. I would opt for a less lethal munition, before I was to put the subject down using level 4, Or deadly force (referance : WACJTC use of force cont.) He would be lucky to even be warned about a level 2 retaliation.
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Well, since my department's "use of force continuum" allows me to meet deadly force with deadly force -- I'm just not gonna be bringing myASP, OC,or TASER to a gunfight. Guess those bail enforcement agents are a tougher breed than we give 'em credit for.
 
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Well, since my department's "use of force continuum" allows me to meet deadly force with deadly force -- I'm just not gonna be bringing my ASP, OC, or TASER to a gunfight. Guess those bail enforcement agents are a tougher breed than we give 'em credit for.
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That had me wondering as well.

My first guess was going to be probation/parole, but as far as I know I thought they only had arrest powers over parolees. Maybe I missed something there.
 
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OOOOOKKKKK everyone...

in honor of saving some dignity within the forum lets pick a new topic or stay on the original topic of this one. Would someone picking on you change your views on a certain situation? No I would imagine it would do the opposite. I think this conversation has moved from bad to worse...

my 2 cents!
 
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