t33j
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I'm a student at ODU and carry any time I'm not on campus.
I drove to get some coffee from a place which boarders ODU property. Got in, bought my coffee, got out no problem. On the way back to my car parked down the street I noticed a friend and his girlfriend in their car so I stopped to chat for a few. About 5 minutes later an ODU police officer showed up and asked if he could talk to me. I obliged. He then said he noticed that I was carrying a weapon in view and just wanted to "verify" who I was. I gave him my name and he asked for my ID. I had no intention of reaching in my back pocket to get it, so I "did him a favor" and put my hands on the hood of is car so he could get my wallet (with a big orange "Guns Save Lives" VCDL sticker on the back
). He made it very clear that I wasn't under arrest. At that point I started to get a little pissed about being treated like a criminal, but remained quiet while he checked for records.
Enter tool cop #1
The first officer who arrived was respectful and I guess the reason why I played along for the amount of time I did. Between the time he arrived, and the time I gave him my ID, 2 more ODU PD officers arrived. I think one of them was a detective. Well the detective wanted me to do him a favor and sit on the curb. I was tired of doing favors and asked if I was being detained. He said, "No you're not but I'm telling you to sit down." :what: To which I replied, "Why must I sit down?" He responded, "For my own safety..."
Wait a minute... So I'm not being detained, but I can't refuse to sit down. What's going on here?
I did not sit down. After a few seconds he yelled, "Sit on the curb!" I complied. Less than 5 seconds later I asked him if he realized he had to have reasonable suspicion to detain me. I got exactly what I expected in response... nonsense about me carrying a gun (i.e. exercising a civil right). Apparently, he was under the impression he had enough suspicion. So I told him I was pretty sure exercising my 2nd amendment rights was not reasonable suspicion for detainment.
The first officer then said he was going to take down some information for a field information card. I asked him why he needed the information. Reason: I was adjacent to a University (not a crime - neither would be carrying on campus) and they like to know who carries a weapon other than the police. He reiterated that I was not under arrest. Seeking clarification I asked if I was free to go right then. He said after he got the info he needed. I asked if I was being detained to which he replied yes. So he got my Norfolk address and cell phone number. He then asked if I knew about the "policy" (pleased he got that part right) about weapons on campus. He thanked me for my "cooperation" (more like my ability to obey). I went back to my friends car and he hug around... to watch I guess.
Thoughts?? Was this an illegal detainment? :uhoh:
I'm a student at ODU and carry any time I'm not on campus.
I drove to get some coffee from a place which boarders ODU property. Got in, bought my coffee, got out no problem. On the way back to my car parked down the street I noticed a friend and his girlfriend in their car so I stopped to chat for a few. About 5 minutes later an ODU police officer showed up and asked if he could talk to me. I obliged. He then said he noticed that I was carrying a weapon in view and just wanted to "verify" who I was. I gave him my name and he asked for my ID. I had no intention of reaching in my back pocket to get it, so I "did him a favor" and put my hands on the hood of is car so he could get my wallet (with a big orange "Guns Save Lives" VCDL sticker on the back
). He made it very clear that I wasn't under arrest. At that point I started to get a little pissed about being treated like a criminal, but remained quiet while he checked for records.Enter tool cop #1
The first officer who arrived was respectful and I guess the reason why I played along for the amount of time I did. Between the time he arrived, and the time I gave him my ID, 2 more ODU PD officers arrived. I think one of them was a detective. Well the detective wanted me to do him a favor and sit on the curb. I was tired of doing favors and asked if I was being detained. He said, "No you're not but I'm telling you to sit down." :what: To which I replied, "Why must I sit down?" He responded, "For my own safety..."
Wait a minute... So I'm not being detained, but I can't refuse to sit down. What's going on here?
I did not sit down. After a few seconds he yelled, "Sit on the curb!" I complied. Less than 5 seconds later I asked him if he realized he had to have reasonable suspicion to detain me. I got exactly what I expected in response... nonsense about me carrying a gun (i.e. exercising a civil right). Apparently, he was under the impression he had enough suspicion. So I told him I was pretty sure exercising my 2nd amendment rights was not reasonable suspicion for detainment.
The first officer then said he was going to take down some information for a field information card. I asked him why he needed the information. Reason: I was adjacent to a University (not a crime - neither would be carrying on campus) and they like to know who carries a weapon other than the police. He reiterated that I was not under arrest. Seeking clarification I asked if I was free to go right then. He said after he got the info he needed. I asked if I was being detained to which he replied yes. So he got my Norfolk address and cell phone number. He then asked if I knew about the "policy" (pleased he got that part right) about weapons on campus. He thanked me for my "cooperation" (more like my ability to obey). I went back to my friends car and he hug around... to watch I guess.
Thoughts?? Was this an illegal detainment? :uhoh:
