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    This is a bleed over from another thread that was hijacked please keep the top a minimum!!

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    The Legal age to purchase and carry a firearm.

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    legally 18
    but there are some minors that pretend to OC and can potentially ruin it for the rest of us.



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    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    the airsoft thing was a one time deal,was not carried at ponderosa,only inside the mcdonalds.suggested by another member,its not like its anything that is a regular occurance.

    brian,if i find my way on the other side of town this weekend,and your free,can i buy another SAM bumper sticker off ya?
    Gee isn't that nice. Posted a full twelve minutes after I recommend stopping this sort of OT comment. Just couldn't resist a parting shot I suppose. If you want to fan the flames, at least have the decency to do it in the new thread, or start your own.

    Same goes for everyone else who perpetuated this stuff after Venator made his request.

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    ghostrider wrote:
    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    the airsoft thing was a one time deal,was not carried at ponderosa,only inside the mcdonalds.suggested by another member,its not like its anything that is a regular occurance.

    brian,if i find my way on the other side of town this weekend,and your free,can i buy another SAM bumper sticker off ya?
    Gee isn't that nice. Posted a full twelve minutes after I recommend stopping this sort of OT comment. Just couldn't resist a parting shot I suppose. If you want to fan the flames, at least have the decency to do it in the new thread, or start your own.

    Same goes for everyone else who perpetuated this stuff after Venator made his request.
    Curious, where did he post that?

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    Beerme wrote:
    ghostrider wrote:
    lil_freak_66 wrote:
    the airsoft thing was a one time deal,was not carried at ponderosa,only inside the mcdonalds.suggested by another member,its not like its anything that is a regular occurance.

    brian,if i find my way on the other side of town this weekend,and your free,can i buy another SAM bumper sticker off ya?
    Gee isn't that nice. Posted a full twelve minutes after I recommend stopping this sort of OT comment. Just couldn't resist a parting shot I suppose. If you want to fan the flames, at least have the decency to do it in the new thread, or start your own.

    Same goes for everyone else who perpetuated this stuff after Venator made his request.
    Curious, where did he post that?
    Posted here
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/40605-9.html
    live every day like its your last cause one day you will be right

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    wardog6d wrote:
    The Legal age to purchase and carry a firearm.
    Actually this will vary.
    To Purchase: According to state law, a long gun may be purchased by anyone aged 16 or over who is not subject to restrictions based on criminal or mental health history. However there is a federal age limit of 18 years for non-private purchases of long guns from federal firearms licensees.

    To Carry: 750.234f Possession of firearm by person less than 18 years of age; exceptions; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.
    Sec. 234f.
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), an individual less than 18 years of age shall not possess a firearm in public except under the direct supervision of an individual 18 years of age or older.

    Not defending the lil kiddies, just saying.!

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    I think it would also be appropriate to discuss in this thread "facsimile firearms" and how they are looked at by Michigan law.

    A facsimile firearm means any device or object made of plastic, wood, metal, or any other material which is a replica, facsimile, or toy version of, or is otherwise recognizable as a pistol, revolver, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, rifle, machine gun, rocket launcher, or any other firearm. A “replica or facsimile firearm” includes, but is not limited to, toy guns, movie props, hobby models (either in kit form or fully assembled), starter pistols, air guns, inoperative firearms, or any other device which might reasonably be perceived to be a real firearm.

    It was understood a long time ago, that facsimile firearms are not covered by preemption, and are governed by what ever city, township, village, or local unit of government chooses to govern them.

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    And like I said before none of that matters while on private property. No one is advocating carry of a toy or fake weapon in any other instance.
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    THway wrote:
    I think it would also be appropriate to discuss in this thread "facsimile firearms" and how they are looked at by Michigan law.

    A facsimile firearm means any device or object made of plastic, wood, metal, or any other material which is a replica, facsimile, or toy version of, or is otherwise recognizable as a pistol, revolver, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, rifle, machine gun, rocket launcher, or any other firearm. A “replica or facsimile firearm” includes, but is not limited to, toy guns, movie props, hobby models (either in kit form or fully assembled), starter pistols, air guns, inoperative firearms, or any other device which might reasonably be perceived to be a real firearm.

    It was understood a long time ago, that facsimile firearms are not covered by preemption, and are governed by what ever city, township, village, or local unit of government chooses to govern them.
    looks to be dead on



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    ok auto... let me ask you this...

    Would you as an adult, seek the parental permission of a minors parent before handing said minor a facsimile firearm?

    OR

    Would you as an adult, just hand a minor a facsimile firearm?

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    That is the part you got me on

    However with their permission in a controlled environ IE private property and for the purpose that Venetor discussed I would have no problem doing so.


    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    THway wrote:
    ok auto... let me ask you this...

    Would you as an adult, seek the parental permission of a minors parent before handing said minor a facsimile firearm?

    OR

    Would you as an adult, just hand a minor a facsimile firearm?
    well since im an adult and an avid open carrier, ill go ahead and give the kid a facsimile firearm.
    I mean I already let him organize an open carry event at a business on their busiest day during their busiest hour, without any prior open carry experience.
    he seems qualified

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    THway wrote:
    ok auto... let me ask you this...

    Would you as an adult, seek the parental permission of a minors parent before handing said minor a facsimile firearm?

    OR

    Would you as an adult, just hand a minor a facsimile firearm?
    In this day and age i would never let a minor touch any sort of firearm without theconcent of parent or guardian



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    that is not the point i am trying to make.... the point here is that an adult, gave a child a firearm, without the parental concent of the childs parent. That childs parent could have filed charges against this adult for child endangerment? Am I wrong in this thought process?

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    I doubt it as it was not a FIREARM.

    Also it was not loaded....

    Here is another question what if instead we used blue training guns for this type of situation?? How would you feel about that?
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    THway wrote:
    that is not the point i am trying to make.... the point here is that an adult, gave a child a firearm, without the parental concent of the childs parent. That childs parent could have filed charges against this adult for child endangerment? Am I wrong in this thought process?
    Depends what age is emancipation in Michigan?

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    Here is how emancipation works in MI

    http://courts.co.calhoun.mi.us/quest119.htm
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    17 post's and you are already trying to start drama? Not a great way to get to know everyone.

    Quote failed, I was referring to beerme.

    Anyone having a problem with "minors" setting up meets should maybe step up to the plate and arrange some them selves?

    At least"said minor" is moving to help the cause out instead of sitting on his (or her) butt.




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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I doubt it as it was not a FIREARM.

    Also it was not loaded....
    Under Michigan law, airsoft guns are facsimile firearms and are viewed as REAL firearms...

    wether or not it was loaded is irrelivent...

    The fact still remains that michigan law states that facsimile firearms are to be treated as a real firearm.

    If i gave the 15 year old down the street my airsoft gun while he was on my property, and his parents saw this... what do you think would happen? They would call the police, and I would be arrested for child endangerment.

    If Venator was arrested for doing this, and charged with child endangerment, would all of this still have been worth it, to educate this child?

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    I doubt it as it was not a FIREARM.

    Also it was not loaded....

    Here is another question what if instead we used blue training guns for this type of situation?? How would you feel about that?
    It is technically a firearm
    and treat every gun like it is ALWAYS LOADED
    rule number one

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    Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself

    Even Kiddies

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    steve wrote:
    17 post's and you are already trying to start drama? Not a great way to get to know everyone.
    I'm not trying to start drama

    The person who gave him the gun
    should have made sure it was ok with his parents.
    or done the safe thing and just not give him a gun real or not

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    Beerme wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    I doubt it as it was not a FIREARM.

    Also it was not loaded....

    Here is another question what if instead we used blue training guns for this type of situation?? How would you feel about that?
    It is technically a firearm
    and treat every gun like it is ALWAYS LOADED
    rule number one
    What caliber is this said Firearm?

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    CrossPistols wrote:
    Beerme wrote:
    autosurgeon wrote:
    I doubt it as it was not a FIREARM.

    Also it was not loaded....

    Here is another question what if instead we used blue training guns for this type of situation?? How would you feel about that?
    It is technically a firearm
    and treat every gun like it is ALWAYS LOADED
    rule number one
    What caliber is this said Firearm?
    i believe 6mm

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