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    http://lynnwood.komonews.com/content...s-stolen-store

    Lynnwood Police say an estimated 100 handguns, mostly semi-automatics, were stolen from displays inside the Lynnwood Gun and Ammunition store in the 20800 block of Highway 99.
    Uh-oh more guns in the hands of criminals....


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    Wholey sh*t that is discomforting. I wonder how they were storing them...not that i am trying to blame the victim, just to be clear.


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    Inside job, former employee.... sounds weird.
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    Apparently they tunneled in....that is freaking crazy. I wish the Times would give more details...ok, that is asking too much.
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    HOW DO YOU HAVE A GUNSTORE AND NO SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

    God is heavan isn't that like #1 on the list of things inside a gun store?

    1. Security Cameras.
    2. Bring in Guns
    3. Bring in Ammo
    4. Bring in customers

    I mean I again not trying to blame the owner but DAMN!

    Hell I thought they were out of business. I actually looked at that location in the 90's for a gunshop and found it too unsecure for putting one in there. I always thought it funny that someone actually did put a gun shop in there.

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    Wow! I go there all the time. Weird.

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    WTF, Hogans Heros stole the Guns...
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    I'm betting an inside job also. I've always felt that was an odd location for a gunshop.

    KOMO's desk anchor was reporting this morning that the thieves only took semi-autos and left the revolvers and rifles, she said ...because semi-automatics hold more ammo and "fire faster". Huh. Learn something every day.

    I'm not even sure some of my favorite gun shops have video cameras, or at least I haven't noticed. I'm somewhat surprised they didn't have motion sensors inside however.

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    Nimh wrote:
    ... I've always felt that was an odd location for a gunshop.
    Huh???

    How is a small older strip mall, on the main drag an "odd location for a gun shop"?

    Where "should" gun shops be located?


    I've been in that shop several times over the years. While it may not be as well stocked, polished, or secure as some other stores, there was nothing illegal (to my knowledge) in the way the business was conducted.

    Leaving guns in display cases while closed, not having security cameras, higher end alarm, or other security measures may not be the best or smartest way to do business, but lets keep the blame where it belongs - on the criminals involved.



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    Nimh wrote:
    KOMO's desk anchor was reporting this morning that the thieves only took semi-autos and left the revolvers and rifles, she said ...because semi-automatics hold more ammo and "fire faster".Â* Huh.Â* Learn something every day.Â*
    So the anchor must have interviewed the burglars to find out what their motive was for taking the semi-autos, right?
    This ain't creative writing class KOMO, you're not supposed to just make "facts" up!

    Journalism 101.... FAIL

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    Apparently they tunneled in....that is freaking crazy. I wish the Times would give more details...ok, that is asking too much.
    While it did say "came up though the floor", no tunneling would be necessary.

    Can't really tell from the picture, but the shop is technically on the second floor. The building is two-story and built on a slope. Street level is at the second floor on the west side, while at the first level on the east side. Simple break in to the business on the first level below the shop, then up through the ceiling/floor and into the gun shop.

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    I bet it was a Brady Campaigner.
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    Saw some news pics (on KING/KONG) of the break-in and they did indeed come up through the floor.

    The floor if the shop appeared to have about a three or four foot "overhang" beyond the foundation or basement wall perimeter, and the plywood and insulation was torn off and the floor above broached.







    Actually easy to see how that could be overlooked in the security arrangements. That's why one should always hire pros for security jobs...

    The shop did seem to have fairly decent protection around the "normal" perimeter - barred windows, barred door, good locks and perimeter alarms.

    Where they failed appears to be lack of motion sensor interior alarms and looking at ceiling/floor incursion possibilities.

    (Friend had a similar problem at his garage - he had good physical protection and perimeter alarms on all doors and windows, but no interior motion detection: Thieves simply took a chainsaw and came in right through the back wall. Didn't set off a single alarm.)
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    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


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    FMCDH wrote:
    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X
    Hopefully there is a clause that the Insurance comp will not cover their loss due to the lack of security.
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    FMCDH wrote:
    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


    If people didn't steal in the first place they wouldn't have to have such security.

    The problem isn't the shop it's the thieves! Period.

    I remember as a kid, and I'm not that old, that we never locked our doors. Now people are getting blamed for not having cameras. Let's put the blame where it belongs.


    One can have the bestsecurity and if a person wants to find a flaw they will.

    Forgive the shop owner for trusting people.


    So when the thief comes in and steals from you the insurance should say you didn't have... armed guarders 24/7?
    Don't confuse me with the facts, I have my emotions!

    I guess that's the difference between no crime and "stopping" a crime in progress. I prefer no crime.

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    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


    If people didn't steal in the first place they wouldn't have to have such security.

    The problem isn't the shop it's the thieves! Period.

    I remember as a kid, and I'm not that old, that we never locked our doors. Now people are getting blamed for not having cameras. Let's put the blame where it belongs.


    One can have the bestsecurity and if a person wants to find a flaw they will.

    Forgive the shop owner for trusting people.


    So when the thief comes in and steals from you the insurance should say you didn't have... armed guarders 24/7?
    Wise words, broseph.

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    911Boss wrote:
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    ... I've always felt that was an odd location for a gunshop.
    Huh???

    How is a small older strip mall, on the main drag an "odd location for a gun shop"?

    Where "should" gun shops be located?


    I've been in that shop several times over the years. While it may not be as well stocked, polished, or secure as some other stores, there was nothing illegal (to my knowledge) in the way the business was conducted.

    Leaving guns in display cases while closed, not having security cameras, higher end alarm, or other security measures may not be the best or smartest way to do business, but lets keep the blame where it belongs - on the criminals involved.

    Aaah, easy there Boss... I think you and I agree that the reprehensible party here is the thieves, for sure. Absolutely. The entrance onto the stairs just felt kinda strange to me the few times I've been there. Just a person preference.

    When I read trofwa's post above...

    God is heavan isn't that like #1 on the list of things inside a gun store?
    1. Security Cameras.
    2. Bring in Guns
    3. Bring in Ammo
    4. Bring in customers
    ...I had to think not only if I had ever seen cameras, but if it was some kinda requirement that I just wasn't aware of.

    I'm not blaming the gun shop for the theft, but I'm still willing to bet it was either an ex-employee or somebody familiar with their security system.

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    Aaron1124 wrote:
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    FMCDH wrote:
    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


    If people didn't steal in the first place they wouldn't have to have such security.

    The problem isn't the shop it's the thieves! Period.

    I remember as a kid, and I'm not that old, that we never locked our doors. Now people are getting blamed for not having cameras. Let's put the blame where it belongs.


    One can have the bestsecurity and if a person wants to find a flaw they will.

    Forgive the shop owner for trusting people.


    So when the thief comes in and steals from you the insurance should say you didn't have... armed guarders 24/7?
    Wise words, broseph.
    O please.

    There is a certain level of responsibility when you own, use, carry, and especially sell and store firearms, and all indications point to the fact they took almost none of that responsibility into effect.

    When you ADVERTISE that you have guns on your front door and on the sign on your building, then well, your in a different classification than "Joe at home". That's simple reality.

    People are overall good, but we don't live in the days of "leaving the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition with the baby in the back seat" anymore, if we ever truly did. I think to a great degree your thinking is simple nostalgia fed by the lack of media coverage of the day.

    If I were investigating this insurance claim, I would be looking hard at why this store didn't have some of the most basic of security set up. Regardless of any obvious laws broken, I would be looking very closely at the owners and employees of this store as the possible thieves.

    You can live "the good old days" in your head if you like, but reality trumps.

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    FMCDH wrote:
    Aaron1124 wrote:
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    FMCDH wrote:
    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


    If people didn't steal in the first place they wouldn't have to have such security.

    The problem isn't the shop it's the thieves! Period.

    I remember as a kid, and I'm not that old, that we never locked our doors. Now people are getting blamed for not having cameras. Let's put the blame where it belongs.


    One can have the bestsecurity and if a person wants to find a flaw they will.

    Forgive the shop owner for trusting people.


    So when the thief comes in and steals from you the insurance should say you didn't have... armed guarders 24/7?
    Wise words, broseph.
    O please.

    There is a certain level of responsibility when you own, use, carry, and especially sell and store firearms, and all indications point to the fact they took almost none of that responsibility into effect.

    When you ADVERTISE that you have guns on your front door and on the sign on your building, then well, your in a different classification than "Joe at home". That's simple reality.

    People are overall good, but we don't live in the days of "leaving the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition with the baby in the back seat" anymore, if we ever truly did. I think to a great degree your thinking is simple nostalgia fed by the lack of media coverage of the day.

    If I were investigating this insurance claim, I would be looking hard at why this store didn't have some of the most basic of security set up. Regardless of any obvious laws broken, I would be looking very closely at the owners and employees of this store as the possible thieves.

    You can live "the good old days" in your head if you like, but reality trumps.



    Nope not living in the good old days that is why my wife and I both carry everywhere we go, but to say I would boycott a place because I don't agree with the security is ludicrous.

    First, we don't know (or maybe you do) what his insurance policy is or was.

    Second, too assume just because he sells guns means he's getting rich is blowing hard.

    Third, so what if he did or didn't have basic security, that is between him and the insurance if he has any.

    So many assumptions being made and no blame on the thieves. This is why we live in the society we do. We blame the victim and not the perpetrators. If she wasn't ...then she wouldn't have gotten raped.

    Would that have been wise to have gun vaults? Yes, but it may not even have stopped them then. Is a vault impenetrable? No!

    I don't care if it was an inside job or not it's still wrong.


    Why can't we go back to the good old days? Why can't we teach our children right from wrong. To do unto others as we would have done unto us or love your neighbors as yourself? It's to religious. We can't have religion in our society. Now look what we've got and I'm not even a baby boomer. I'm 37yrs old and I can remember when I could be gone all day without Mom or Dad worried. Now, I don't let my girls or boys go to the washroom alone in a public restaurant. Now, parents let their kids run and don't care what they do at any time.

    Sorry for the rant.


    The point being madeis why boycott a place because you don't agree with his nighttime security?It's his lost not yours.

    I hope they catch the perpetrators and they have to pay back all theytook.





    Don't confuse me with the facts, I have my emotions!

    I guess that's the difference between no crime and "stopping" a crime in progress. I prefer no crime.

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    Packer fan wrote:
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    Aaron1124 wrote:
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    FMCDH wrote:
    This place not taking some of the most basic of precautions like vaulting their firearms at night, orputting in even a rudimentary CC system and some sort of motion sensor security system,its just idiotic and unforgivable given the amount of profit that gun stores are making these days.

    Even if they survive this loss (and they probably will due to insurance) I will never go there, and I will steer others away.

    When you store weapons on the scale of a small armory, you better be putting at least SOME money toward the security of those weapons.

    There is just no excuse these days for just locking the door and calling it secure. :X


    If people didn't steal in the first place they wouldn't have to have such security.

    The problem isn't the shop it's the thieves! Period.

    I remember as a kid, and I'm not that old, that we never locked our doors. Now people are getting blamed for not having cameras. Let's put the blame where it belongs.


    One can have the bestsecurity and if a person wants to find a flaw they will.

    Forgive the shop owner for trusting people.


    So when the thief comes in and steals from you the insurance should say you didn't have... armed guarders 24/7?
    Wise words, broseph.
    O please.

    There is a certain level of responsibility when you own, use, carry, and especially sell and store firearms, and all indications point to the fact they took almost none of that responsibility into effect.

    When you ADVERTISE that you have guns on your front door and on the sign on your building, then well, your in a different classification than "Joe at home". That's simple reality.

    People are overall good, but we don't live in the days of "leaving the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition with the baby in the back seat" anymore, if we ever truly did. I think to a great degree your thinking is simple nostalgia fed by the lack of media coverage of the day.

    If I were investigating this insurance claim, I would be looking hard at why this store didn't have some of the most basic of security set up. Regardless of any obvious laws broken, I would be looking very closely at the owners and employees of this store as the possible thieves.

    You can live "the good old days" in your head if you like, but reality trumps.



    Nope not living in the good old days that is why my wife and I both carry everywhere we go, but to say I would boycott a place because I don't agree with the security is ludicrous.

    First, we don't know (or maybe you do) what his insurance policy is or was.

    Second, too assume just because he sells guns means he's getting rich is blowing hard.

    Third, so what if he did or didn't have basic security, that is between him and the insurance if he has any.

    So many assumptions being made and no blame on the thieves. This is why we live in the society we do. We blame the victim and not the perpetrators. If she wasn't ...then she wouldn't have gotten raped.

    Would that have been wise to have gun vaults? Yes, but it may not even have stopped them then. Is a vault impenetrable? No!

    I don't care if it was an inside job or not it's still wrong.


    Why can't we go back to the good old days? Why can't we teach our children right from wrong. To do unto others as we would have done unto us or love your neighbors as yourself? It's to religious. We can't have religion in our society. Now look what we've got and I'm not even a baby boomer. I'm 37yrs old and I can remember when I could be gone all day without Mom or Dad worried. Now, I don't let my girls or boys go to the washroom alone in a public restaurant. Now, parents let their kids run and don't care what they do at any time.

    Sorry for the rant.


    The point being madeis why boycott a place because you don't agree with his nighttime security?It's his lost not yours.

    I hope they catch the perpetrators and they have to pay back all theytook.




    Yea, Those WERE the good ole days. But these are the New crappy days with criminal and we have to adjust, and think ahead and try to outsmart them. Thats why they call them criminals. Would you leave a loaded gun on your front seat with your car unlocked in downtown seattle because people arent SUPPOSED to streal it?
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    The point being madeis why boycott a place because you don't agree with his nighttime security?It's his lost not yours.

    I hope they catch the perpetrators and they have to pay back all theytook.

    No, thats not the point, because I can boycott any business I wish for whatever reason I wish, and ask others to do the same.

    It could just be my loss or yours if someonewe loveis killed by one of those 100+guns that will now undoubtedly be sold on the black market to those who probably shouldn't have them, if they are not recovered.

    I wouldn't go so far as to blame the gun store for the killing, just having madebad businesschoicesthat helped thekiller get a weaponin the first place.

    Those bad business choices sometimes have consequences beyond the immediate store and its owners, and when they do, responsible people call a spade a spade and hold businesses accountable for their corner cutting.

    If we don't hold them responsible, the government will in the form of some knee-jerkregulation, which thenharms everyone who's doing everything right,AGAIN!

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote: What the heck was that for!? A link to a link back to this thread?

    As for the extra security, I'm going to have to put my vote in for the victim. There is enough steel and reinforcement to keep almost anybody out. While I do think they should have a CCTV system for business hours, who would really think of somebody coming in through the floor? There's probably more of a chance of thief coming in through the ceiling.
    There is a higher responsibility that comes with having guns, but there's only so much you can do. Should everyone one of us have bars on the windows, CCTV systems, motion sensors, etc. just because we own firearms? Place the blame where it's supposed to be...unless you're in favor the AWB part that says LEO can come into your house at any time to inspect how you secure your weapons.

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    Aryk45XD wrote:
    Master Doug Huffman wrote: What the heck was that for!? A link to a link back to this thread?

    As for the extra security, I'm going to have to put my vote in for the victim. There is enough steel and reinforcement to keep almost anybody out. While I do think they should have a CCTV system for business hours, who would really think of somebody coming in through the floor? There's probably more of a chance of thief coming in through the ceiling.
    There is a higher responsibility that comes with having guns, but there's only so much you can do. Should everyone one of us have bars on the windows, CCTV systems, motion sensors, etc. just because we own firearms? Place the blame where it's supposed to be...unless you're in favor the AWB part that says LEO can come into your house at any time to inspect how you secure your weapons.
    +25!

    Enough with the Monday-morning polcing! It is the easiest thing in the world to go back after the fact & play woulda-shoulda-coulda, "oh look at me i'm smart he shoulda done thisnthisnthisnthis.

    Want to blame the victim & refuse to do business there? Fine, that's your right. I'm going to make it a point to go out of my way to do some business there next time I can. Would have stopped in yesterday but I figured they'd be closed. I like that lil shop, they had a decent selection for what it is (was), lots of ammo, carried Hi-Points (:celebrate) and some other oddball cool things, the owner is a decent guy without any of that gun-shop snobbery we hear so much of, and they always had my favorite music station playing on the radio. Could the guy in charge have done things better? Sure he could, the same can be said for ANYONE in ANY circumstance. He's only human and that makes him fallible and imperfect, and judging by said radio station, I think he knows it. That place has been there for years & years, and has probably had the same security precautions for years & years that have worked just fine until this happened. Like someone else said, if a bad guy wants to commit a crime badly enough, they're going to figure out a way. The aggressor always has the advantage of choosing when, where, & how to strike.
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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