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    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=284261
    By Jeffu

    Thank you Jason Davis + CGF



    Ever since my arrest from last April, it's been a nightmare. From going with the wrong law firm, uneducated/uninformed attorney disregarding all evidence and previous court cases and suggesting me to plead guilty to something that I did NOT do, giving my DNA sample, going to life lesson classes, to surrendering my gun rights...Until about a month ago, I was really fed up, fired my attorney and contacted CGF, Kevin (Oaklander) who referred me to attorney Jason Davis.

    I finally got a chance to meet up with him this Wednesday and all it took was 1 phone call from Jason to the police department, that same night the detective called back and told me I was all good to go and I could pick up my firearm that they confiscated and refused to return just a month ago. All I can say is wow!!! Jason did what my attorney couldn't do for a year in 1 phone call.

    Guys, if you ever run into ANY trouble at all, contact CGF & Jason immediately. Don't even bother trying to save a few bucks and going with amateurs, because in the end it'll come back and bite you in the ***. Which I learned the hard way.

    I'd like to thank you CGF & Kevin & Jason for helping an innocent, responsible and law-abiding citizen retain his rights! Now it's my turn to payback CGF and help out the next victim.

    Please remember that freedom isn't free. Donate here.

    In this case we wish that this person would have called us first so the first bit of nastiness didn't even happen. As long as you are innocent of the gun charge and whatever caused you to be in contact with law enforcement is minor, we can almost always help.

    We have quite a few more stories just like this about ready for public consumption.

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    I'm confused. Why would you post a testimonial and solicitation for donations on an open-carry forum when the CalGuns Foundation has repeatedly stated that they will not defend open-carry cases?
    Has their policy changed?

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    Great for the guy who got cleared but I'm with the previous poster.
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    We are not to shut our eyes and ears on how CalGuns helps GUNOWNERS... which we all are. They will help an OC'er but they will not assist in an OC related case. Please notice the difference. There is good reason they won't help OC cases until certain SCOTUS decisions are rendered.

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    This thread is off topic.
    Do you want to enjoy liberty in your lifetime?

    Consider moving to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project.

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    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    We are not to shut our eyes and ears on how CalGuns helps GUNOWNERS... which we all are. They will help an OC'er but they will not assist in an OC related case. Please notice the difference. There is good reason they won't help OC cases until certain SCOTUS decisions are rendered.
    My point exactly.
    If they won't assist in "Open Carry" cases, why solicit donations on an "Open Carry" forum?

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    flintlock tom wrote:
    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    We are not to shut our eyes and ears on how CalGuns helps GUNOWNERS... which we all are. They will help an OC'er but they will not assist in an OC related case. Please notice the difference. There is good reason they won't help OC cases until certain SCOTUS decisions are rendered.
    My point exactly.
    If they won't assist in "Open Carry" cases, why solicit donations on an "Open Carry" forum?
    I'm glad CGF was able to help this guy out. Now I wonder if they can help out Chewy with his PRAR denial from the LAPD. Just one phone call.
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    I'm glad CGF was able to help this guy out. Now I wonder if they can help out Chewy with his PRAR denial from the LAPD. Just one phone call.
    Chewy was asked to contact Kevin Thomason/Oaklander on CGN. Not sure if he did yet, but please make sure he does as we will help with that.

    Love the attitude guys. Helping gunonwners doesn't matter if it's not helping your preferred form of political protest. That attitude makes other gun owners suspicious that it's all about you and not all about gun rights.

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    hoffmang wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    I'm glad CGF was able to help this guy out. Now I wonder if they can help out Chewy with his PRAR denial from the LAPD. Just one phone call.
    Chewy was asked to contact Kevin Thomason/Oaklander on CGN. Not sure if he did yet, but please make sure he does as we will help with that.

    Love the attitude guys. Helping gunonwners doesn't matter if it's not helping your preferred form of political protest. That attitude makes other gun owners suspicious that it's all about you and not all about gun rights.

    -Gene
    It isn't an "attitude." It is what this website is about. It is about "Open Carry." It seems CalGuns isn't.
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    life lesson class?! you've got to be kidding! how politically correct!

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    cato wrote:
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=284261
    Please remember that freedom isn't free. Donate here.

    In this case we wish that this person would have called us first so the first bit of nastiness didn't even happen. As long as you are innocent of the gun charge and whatever caused you to be in contact with law enforcement is minor, we can almost always help.

    We have quite a few more stories just like this about ready for public consumption.

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    "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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    So, if CalGuns states that they will not defend OC cases, and Gene Hoffman states the above bolded statement that they WILL "almost always help," the disclaimer in red must be applicable?

    This thread seems to mostly be about "let no disaster go un-exploited." Kind of like all the political donation request emails I get. :P
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    hoffmang wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    I'm glad CGF was able to help this guy out. Now I wonder if they can help out Chewy with his PRAR denial from the LAPD. Just one phone call.
    Chewy was asked to contact Kevin Thomason/Oaklander on CGN. Not sure if he did yet, but please make sure he does as we will help with that.

    Love the attitude guys. Helping gunonwners doesn't matter if it's not helping your preferred form of political protest. That attitude makes other gun owners suspicious that it's all about you and not all about gun rights.

    -Gene
    My contact info has been sent to Kevin and I am awaiting his call.

    My understanding of CGF is that they have a specific plan of attack and that does not include UOC at this time. However if a UOCer has a case that could help with their plan then they are more than happy to help. We all have to remember that CGF does not have unlimited funds and must pick cases based on how it fits with their plan.
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    This thread reminds me of a new OCDO forum rule John & I have been thinking about codifying - sort of a takoff of Ronald' Reagan's Eleventh Commandment, "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican."

    It might read somthing like "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow forum member or other pro-gun groups or websites."

    In public policy, just like in business, every organization or sub-community is going to tend to appeal to a particular issue niche and it does not seemproductiveto speak poorly of others in the same general camp especially when no organization or sub-community can rightly claim that only it knows how best to move the ball forward.

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    Mike and Gene are right-

    Basically what I see here is that the Cal UOC proponents doing exactly what some members of Calguns have been accused of doing.

    Look- neither group should be so critical of what the other is doing, because as Mike indicated, there is no one group that shares the same method of advancing the ball. What is evident though is that each moment we set aside to attack our 2nd amendment brothers and sisters is a moment that was not targeted for the Brady Campaign, LCAV, million mommers, and dozens of other anti-gun organizations.

    We must stand united against them rather than further factionalize ourselves with this namecalling and bickering.


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    I'm all for taking the high ground, Mike, but it's hard to ignore an insult like this.
    They, members and board members alike, take every opportunity to characterize our activity as a "macho", "egocentric" "jerk-off stunt" and then come here and solicit donations. They proclaim the open-carry movement as doing irreparable harm to the gun rights movement, of only thinking of our own short-term goals. They tell us that if we get in trouble we're on our own, no help from them. And, oh, by the way, how about sending us a donation?

    And, now, it seems that it's we that have an "attitude" problem.


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    I agree with MIke. We are all on the same mission, just taking different approaches. I have seen some calguns bashing here. I don't go to calguns, butI understand there is some bashing of the OC'ers from them, so maybe the "don't bash" message should be posted in both forums.

    I watch the Nevada forums on several sites, and they LOC and it's perfectly legal there. They seem to be LOC'ing to desensitize the public and LEO's. After some bad LEO contacts on the "strip", they LOC there without any LEO contact.

    I think we have done that here in CA by UOC'ing. It's almost impossible to get an (e) check here in San Diego county. The bay area LEO's seem to be calming down for the most part also. I don't see us getting any negative press here. Just some from the Brady bunch, but they are ineffective andon the way of the dinosaur.

    Hopefully, after incorporation, we can all calm down and watch all the changes in the Calif gun laws. It should be interesting to see if the legislature changes the laws without the courts forcing them.

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    One of your own who I have the utmost respect for posted this - not a CGF person. I came in to reply to an honest question.

    I would like to point out that CGF has in the past specifically defended a UOCer improperly arrested. Also please remember that what we've been saying is that UOC in urban California is not a good idea at this time. LOC where legal in California is fine and something we'd happily defend. If you can't get a CCW and you need self defense in urban California, we will defend proper locked unloaded concealed carry as well.

    No matter what though - we are not your insurance policy and there is no guarantee we can take any case - even if its completely clean.

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    flintlock tom wrote:
    I'm all for taking the high ground, Mike, but it's hard to ignore . . .
    Maybe I'm gettin' old (birthday this week, don't ask how old), but that snip's all I needed to read and my aging brain was instantlyfilled with old adages from my parents, teachers, and Sunday sermons, e.g., two wrongs don't make a right; turn the other cheek; if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anythng at all; etc.

    These adages are not iron clad rules but do have some grains of truth to them I think and cautions one to just chill a little sometimes especially on these online forums that the whole planet can read.

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    hoffmang wrote:
    LOC where legal in California is fine and something we'd happily defend.
    Technically, that is what this website has always defined open carry as on our maps - carry of a properly holstered loaded handgun - see definition at http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html- hence why we code California as a "rural only" open carry state.

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    Mike wrote:
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    I'm all for taking the high ground, Mike, but it's hard to ignore . . .
    Maybe I'm gettin' old (birthday this week, don't ask how old), but that snip's all I needed to read and my aging brain was instantlyfilled with old adages from my parents, teachers, and Sunday sermons, e.g., two wrong don't make a right; turn the other cheek; if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anythng at all; etc.

    These adages are not iron clad rules but do have some grains of truth to them I think and cautions one to just chill a little sometimes especially on these online forums that the whole planet can read.
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    It really doesn't matter any more that we're right.

    They've made their decision, now we've just got to accept that the best thing for us to do is to unite with them.

    Sometimes people make bad decisions. But, they aren't your decisions to make.

    I'm ready to move on, even though I believe to my core CGF took the wrong stance.

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    The Calguns Foundation is not Calguns.net. You can take up why you were banned with Calguns.net but that has nothing to do with what CGF will or will not do.

    It's been explained in depth on CGN why CGF doesn't feel that UOC in urban California is a good idea at this time. One of the current issues is the SaldaƱa bill to ban UOC. There will come a time in the near future where the CGF policy is likely to change.

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    hoffmang wrote:
    There will come a time in the near future where the CGF policy is likely to change.

    -Gene
    Since I heard you say this to me face-to-face, I sincerely believe you. And that's a time I eagerly await.

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    I'm sorry but both the California Supreme Court and the 9th Circuit both have held conclusively that there is no right to bear arms in California. Your statement might make more sense once the Supreme Court changes that this summer.

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    Ca Patriot wrote:
    Are you saying its NOT a right to open carry in California right now ?
    It isn't against the law, but it isn't a right.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The right‘s existence is all the reason he needs.

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