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International Arms Treaty Fake Email Debuncted.

eye95

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The right to commerce (which is a right to property) is one we bring with us into the social compact. If it is denied because some exercise it unscrupulously, then all rights are subject to denial, because all rights can be and have been exercised unscrupulously.

The "unscrupulous" argument is the one that is most often used to advocate the denial of the RKBA! Because some guns are used in crimes and suicides, and because some negligently handled guns have accidentally gone off, some call for laws that infringe on the RKBA.
 

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eye95 wrote:
The right to commerce (which is a right to property) is one we bring with us into the social compact. If it is denied because some exercise it unscrupulously, then all rights are subject to denial, because all rights can be and have been exercised unscrupulously.

The "unscrupulous" argument is the one that is most often used to advocate the denial of the RKBA! Because some guns are used in crimes and suicides, and because some negligently handled guns have accidentally gone off, some call for laws that infringe on the RKBA.
The difference is that your carrying a weapon to defend yourself does not affect the next guy over, unlike business where the action of one at the top can affect hundreds, thousands, even millions of people below them in their company. Also, even when the nation gets back to unregulated carry of weapons, there will still be punishment for using those weapons ina crime such as forcing your will on someone at gun point. What libertarians want is no punishment, no regulation at all of business with everything being resolved by lawsuits, which I don't know how that would work if there's nothingregulating business,where you can enforce your will with cold hard cash instead of cold blue steel. Whether you're enforcing your will with a gun or doing it with cash it's still wrong and you DO NOT have that right, and that's why we regulate business. Your analogy is flawed.
 

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Who told you this crap?

We do not disagree with prosecution of illegal actions, but disagree with most "big government" regulation - such as the FTC making rules that you can't use "certain words" in ads, or going after small businesses that accidently violate some rules in the FTC code, which requires 100 attorneys to read and even then they will get different opinions.

We have so many laws that "protect" us, that we can barely go out our door without being subject to prosecution of violating some code. Small businesses in this country go out of business, based on LETTERS from teh FTC, the FEC, whatever that state opinions, because they scare people to death. For example, if you have a product that might have lead to the death of three people, the CPSC will issue a letter that asks for a voluntary recall. Who cares if those three people all were stupid (such as used their TV in a bathtub) but the letter just ASKING for that will destroy a business, without due process.

We have become a mommy nation, where we want the government to protect us from ourselves, from our own stupidity. We don't want to read manuals, or actually research the best products, but want the government to put in big letters "Eating 20 hamburgers a day is bad for your health."

Come on!!!!!




ABNinfantryman wrote:
eye95 wrote:
The right to commerce (which is a right to property) is one we bring with us into the social compact. If it is denied because some exercise it unscrupulously, then all rights are subject to denial, because all rights can be and have been exercised unscrupulously.

The "unscrupulous" argument is the one that is most often used to advocate the denial of the RKBA! Because some guns are used in crimes and suicides, and because some negligently handled guns have accidentally gone off, some call for laws that infringe on the RKBA.
The difference is that your carrying a weapon to defend yourself does not affect the next guy over, unlike business where the action of one at the top can affect hundreds, thousands, even millions of people below them in their company. Also, even when the nation gets back to unregulated carry of weapons, there will still be punishment for using those weapons ina crime such as forcing your will on someone at gun point. What libertarians want is no punishment, no regulation at all of business with everything being resolved by lawsuits, which I don't know how that would work if there's nothingregulating business,where you can enforce your will with cold hard cash instead of cold blue steel. Whether you're enforcing your will with a gun or doing it with cash it's still wrong and you DO NOT have that right, and that's why we regulate business. Your analogy is flawed.
 

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ABNinfantryman wrote:
eye95 wrote:
The right to commerce (which is a right to property) is one we bring with us into the social compact. If it is denied because some exercise it unscrupulously, then all rights are subject to denial, because all rights can be and have been exercised unscrupulously.

The "unscrupulous" argument is the one that is most often used to advocate the denial of the RKBA! Because some guns are used in crimes and suicides, and because some negligently handled guns have accidentally gone off, some call for laws that infringe on the RKBA.
The difference is that your carrying a weapon to defend yourself does not affect the next guy over, unlike business where the action of one at the top can affect hundreds, thousands, even millions of people below them in their company. Also, even when the nation gets back to unregulated carry of weapons, there will still be punishment for using those weapons ina crime such as forcing your will on someone at gun point. What libertarians want is no punishment, no regulation at all of business with everything being resolved by lawsuits, which I don't know how that would work if there's nothingregulating business,where you can enforce your will with cold hard cash instead of cold blue steel. Whether you're enforcing your will with a gun or doing it with cash it's still wrong and you DO NOT have that right, and that's why we regulate business. Your analogy is flawed.
The lawful actions of a business only affect those who choose to interact with that business. If one does not like that way a business lawfully acts, one should exercise his own freedom and walk away.

Anyway this is off the point I was making: Some exercising a right (any right) unscrupulously is no reason to infringe on that right (any right) for all.
 

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Pace is quite correct, but he failed to note the most iniquitous feature of regulatory agencies.

Dangers and violations MUST be found in order to justify their budgets, indeed their very existence.

To this end, lawyers toil long hours. Nothing is too silly or arcane to escape their notice.

Remember a few years ago when it was decided that farmers must notify workers that fresh manure is slippery? The most tragic aspect of that is that no one in government or the courts was willing to call it hilarious or even silly.
 
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