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    The latest Alert (“What’s Next” dated 28 Mar 10) mentioned a Second Amendment March on 12 Apr 10 in Richmond. I am thinking of taking the day off to attend. But is anyone else going? I have not read anything about it except in the Alert.



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    nemo wrote:
    The latest Alert (“What’s Next” dated 28 Mar 10) mentioned a Second Amendment March on 12 Apr 10 in Richmond. I am thinking of taking the day off to attend. But is anyone else going? I have not read anything about it except in the Alert.



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    Jane and I are going to Richmond.
    I have a policy of not going further north than Fredricksburg so we won't go to DC.

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    Jane and I are going to Richmond.
    Glad to hear it. But where do we go? The Alert said Bell Tower or something, but that means nothing to me, especially since I am absolutely unfamiliar with Richmond, and even where cheap parking is. Is more info on this event available somewhere else?

    I have a policy of not going further north than Fredricksburg so we won't go to DC.
    I hear you, though we live outside of Winchester, a stone's throw from WV, so we are about as far north as you can get in NOVA. We, too, choose not to go to DC.

    I do plan to attend the Virginia rally on 19 April, partly because it is a chance to let me OC my rifle, which I have always wanted to do. It is my dream that we Americans will march, still armed,from that rally into DC to join the other rally. I dream.


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    nemo wrote:
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    Jane and I are going to Richmond.
    Glad to hear it. But where do we go? The Alert said Bell Tower or something, but that means nothing to me, especially since I am absolutely unfamiliar with Richmond, and even where cheap parking is. Is more info on this event available somewhere else?

    I have a policy of not going further north than Fredricksburg so we won't go to DC.
    I hear you, though we live outside of Winchester, a stone's throw from WV, so we are about as far north as you can get in NOVA. We, too, choose not to go to DC.

    I do plan to attend the Virginia rally on 19 April, partly because it is a chance to let me OC my rifle, which I have always wanted to do. It is my dream that we Americans will march, still armed,from that rally into DC to join the other rally. I dream.
    It's in Capitol Square near the ...Capitol building. You'll see the people. We'll be the ones wearing guns and not in uniform.

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    I am definitely planning on attending. The speakers they have lined up sound pretty good.
    "When seconds count between living or dying, the police are only minutes away."

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    I am the coordinator of the march. If you have any specific questions you can email me at crichardson@secondamendmentmarch.com or call me at 703.945.2588

    The march is to be on Monday April 12, 2010 from 2pm-3pm at the bell tower on the grounds of the state capitol in Richmond, VA. If you can find the capitol you will see the people. Parking will be tricky. Get there early if possible to get a good spot. There are lots of places within a healthy walking distance to get lunch as the capitol is in the middle of the city. Open and responsible, law abiding carry is welcome. Banners and signs are not allowed.

    For more general information visit:

    www.secondamendmentmarch.com/virginia

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    Thanks, Chris.

    However, I went to that website and found info only on the DC event that is scheduled for the following weekend, nothing on the Richmond event.

    But, your basic advice is to get to Richmond early, i.e., mid-morning, to find parking in the vicinity of the Bell Tower, where ever that is, and to wait for the event to start. I'll be there with bells on.... and OC handgun, too, of course.

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    OK: google is my friend. I can now find the capitol and the bell tower. Where is parking? Is there a garage nearby, or did they make no provision for such, when they built the place, so I have to carry a pocket full of quarters, instead?

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    I think I'm going to go too, and this is helpful info as I didn't have any details either.

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    nemo wrote:
    OK: google is my friend. I can now find the capitol and the bell tower. Where is parking? Is there a garage nearby, or did they make no provision for such, when they built the place, so I have to carry a pocket full of quarters, instead?
    There are several garages that fill up fast when there's an event. Two take up the block directly across the street, another a couple of blocks toward Broad and a couple on main.

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    peter nap wrote:
    There are several garages that fill up fast when there's an event.
    AHA! Thanks, Peter. But, how fast is fast? If I get there at 10, is that early enough? Maybe I had better plan on 9, with a big book, and a few cigars. Is there a cafe or breakfast shop in the area? I know: a Starbucks!
    There are several garages that fill up fast when there's an event. Two take up the block directly across the street, another a couple of blocks toward Broad and a couple on main.
    Directly across which street? Well, never mind. I will just start to circle the square... which is not the same thing as squaring the circle. Hey! I am a mathematician and didn't know it!




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    I'm going to find a map of the area later today and post it to the SAM VA page. I'll post it here as well. There are places to eat and drink nearby as well. Everything is within walking distance.

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    Map of public parking lots:

    http://www.ridefinders.com/FrontEnd/...inders_Map.pdf

    Being a workday, I won't be able to make it unfortunately.

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    I just posted this one on the VA Second Amendment March page. Shows where you can park on the streets.

    http://www.ci.richmond.va.us/Parking...ParkingMap.pdf

    Looks like anywhere with a dashed black line or a solid dark blue line are where you should be looking.

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    Curtis, Chris,

    Thank you both.

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    Will be there showing my best side.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    I'm planning to OC to the Richmond SAM on April 12, but I will also be carrying my usual EDC items, which include a can of OC on my belt, two spare mags, a leatherman, a spyderco Delica knife in my weakside pocket for weapon retention purposes, and an ankle gun. Are all of these things legal to carry in Richmond, particularly the OC and Spyderco Delica knife? I ask because I remember reading somewhere that Richmond has more restrictive knife laws (I think) than the rest of the state, and just am wondering if this applies to OC, etc.

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    Burlyman78 wrote:
    I'm planning to OC to the Richmond SAM on April 12, but I will also be carrying my usual EDC items, which include a can of OC on my belt, two spare mags, a leatherman, a spyderco Delica knife in my weakside pocket for weapon retention purposes, and an ankle gun. Are all of these things legal to carry in Richmond, particularly the OC and Spyderco Delica knife? I ask because I remember reading somewhere that Richmond has more restrictive knife laws (I think) than the rest of the state, and just am wondering if this applies to OC, etc.

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    The state of Virginia has Knife laws Ben....Period.

    Localities have no authority to make knife laws at all.
    My opinion is you'll be a little overdressed, but there's nothing really wrong with that.

    What you described is legal assuming you have a CHP for the concealed handguns.

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    Thanks for your opinion of my EDC gear, Peter. Make a note: next time I'll ask if I want your opinion. As to your condescending, "Virginia has knife laws . . . period" comment, here is an excerpt from David Wong's, "Knife Laws of the Fifty States:"

    "Note that municipal governments may enact their own ordinances prohibiting or otherwise further restricting knife carry in their jurisdictions, although few cities or towns, with perhaps the notable exception of Richmond, appear to have enacted ordinances with restrictions substantially greater than those embodied in state law."

    What more restrictive knife ordinance in Richmond is the author talking about? This one here:

    "Sec. 66-347. Clasp knives.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to have in such person’s possession or to offer to sell or to sell a clasp knife having a blade more than 3 1/4 inches in length." (Richmond, VA Code of Ordinances)

    What's a "clasp knife"? According to "Knife Laws of the Fifty States,":

    "53.8 Selected City Ordinances
    Richmond -- Unlawful to possess any "clasp knife" (generally, folding knife with locking blade with blade greater than three and a quarter inches."

    The Virginia *state* statute doesn't contain any restrictions on blade length.

    So, I guess Virginia *doesn't* have knife laws . . . period. Maybe you should do some research next time before you open your mouth.

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    Burlyman78 wrote:
    Thanks for your opinion of my EDC gear, Peter. Make a note: next time I'll ask if I want your opinion. As to your condescending, "Virginia has knife laws . . . period" comment, here is an excerpt from David Wong's, "Knife Laws of the Fifty States:"

    "Note that municipal governments may enact their own ordinances prohibiting or otherwise further restricting knife carry in their jurisdictions, although few cities or towns, with perhaps the notable exception of Richmond, appear to have enacted ordinances with restrictions substantially greater than those embodied in state law."

    What more restrictive knife ordinance in Richmond is the author talking about? This one here:

    "Sec. 66-347. Clasp knives.

    It shall be unlawful for any person to have in such person’s possession or to offer to sell or to sell a clasp knife having a blade more than 3 1/4 inches in length." (Richmond, VA Code of Ordinances)

    What's a "clasp knife"? According to "Knife Laws of the Fifty States,":

    "53.8 Selected City Ordinances
    Richmond -- Unlawful to possess any "clasp knife" (generally, folding knife with locking blade with blade greater than three and a quarter inches."

    The Virginia *state* statute doesn't contain any restrictions on blade length.

    So, I guess Virginia *doesn't* have knife laws . . . period. Maybe you should do some research next time before you open your mouth.
    Geeze...another mall ninja. Somebody put an ad in the funny pages this month?

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    Alright girls....lets all play nice.

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    Burlyman78 wrote:
    Blah blah blah.
    If you knew the answer or could do the research on your own why did you ask in the first place? So you could have an excuse to detail and brag about all your gear? Do you have armor plated briefcases too, Mr. Tacticool?

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    kennys wrote:
    Curtis wrote:
    Burlyman78 wrote:
    Blah blah blah.
    If you knew the answer or could do the research on your own why did you ask in the first place? So you could have an excuse to detail and brag about all your gear? Do you have armor plated briefcases too, Mr. Tacticool?
    +1
    It's the wrong thread for me to talk about people that wear Oddjob hats, but to answer his very politely made request for more information,,,

    In Virginia, a locality cannot make an ordnance more restrictive than the state, without permission from the state.
    Cite: The Dillon Rule

    Many places like Richmond have old ordinances that are unenforceable but on the books.
    Now you know!

    Back to the March.

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