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Prosecutors planning to charge man in open-carry case

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http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/mar/30/prosecutors-planning-charge-man-open-carry-handgun/

Prosecutors planning to charge man in open-carry handgun case

By Bob Albrecht
Columbian staff writer

Tuesday, March 30, 2010


Vancouver, WA — In a case being closely watched by open-carry gun advocates nationwide, the Vancouver City Attorney’s Office said Tuesday it plans to proceed with its case against a man who was ticketed March 19 for wearing an openly displayed pistol outside an Albertsons shopping center.

Kurk Kirby, 26, of Vancouver was carrying a total of 35 rounds — including those loaded in the holstered .45-caliber gun and in two magazine clips — when he was ticketed for the crime of unlawful display of a weapon.

A follow-up investigation into the incident initiated by the city attorney’s office led to the formal charges against Kirby, said Kevin McClure, a supervising prosecutor.

“We are going forward with the prosecution of the case,” McClure said.

A notice of appearance filed on behalf of Kirby by Vancouver attorney Christopher Dumm is effectively a not-guilty plea.

The trial against Kirby is scheduled to begin at 8:30 a.m. May 12.

“Mr. Kirby and I are obviously disappointed by this decision,” said Dumm, who noted the case has received attention from open-carry advocates. “I’ll probably have to save my arguments for the courtroom.”

 Dumm has advised Kirby not to discuss the case in which a conviction could carry a sentence of up to one year in jail and a $5,000 fine.

Police say Kirby made no menacing statements or gestures to anyone while he was at the strip mall at 5000 E. Fourth Plain Blvd. He simply stood around near stores for 10 to 15 minutes before someone called 911, according to a Vancouver Police Department report.

Kirby told officers that he was within his rights to carry the gun, the report said.

“Washington is an open-carry state,” Dumm previously told The Columbian. “The police deserve my respect and they have it, but nobody is perfect and mistakes are made.”

The Vancouver police report says officers were called to the strip mall shortly after 4 p.m. March 19, because a store owner had watched Kirby standing around wearing his gun. The man told police he called 911 because he was concerned for his customers, including several small children.

Three officers approached the supermarket and saw Kirby outside, wearing a skin-tight T-shirt that didn’t cover the large holstered gun.

The report said the officers contacted him, and one took the gun and extra ammo magazines from him.

The Springfield Armory XP pistol had a round in its chamber and several more in the magazine snapped into its handle. More cartridges were in the two extra magazines, for a total of 35, the report said.

“I asked Kirby why he needed to ‘open carry,’ ” an officer reported. “He said he needed to in case he was attacked. I asked if he felt he was going to be attacked today, and he said ‘no’ but maybe tomorrow he would be,” the officer said.

Kirby’s wife, Dawn Kirby, walked up and told officers she was wearing a concealed gun and had a permit for it, the report said.

Checking computers for the minivan the Kirbys arrived in, officers learned that the pair had staged an open carry the day before at Westfield Vancouver mall, the report said. It said that security officers had escorted them from the mall and reported they had been “belligerent.”

After receiving a copy of the ticket, Kirby “said he did not understand what the ‘big deal’ was because he had gone to about 10 different stores in the last several months with his gun in plain view and no one had ever complained,” the report said.

Kirby didn’t mention being told to leave the mall the day before, police said.

Bob Albrecht: 360-735-4522 or bob.albrecht@columbian.com.
 

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glock23 quoted the article:
...Kirby told officers that he was within his rights to carry the gun, the report said...

...“I asked Kirby why he needed to ‘open carry,’ ” an officer reported. “He said he needed to in case he was attacked. I asked if he felt he was going to be attacked today, and he said ‘no’ but maybe tomorrow he would be,” the officer said.

...After receiving a copy of the ticket, Kirby “said he did not understand what the ‘big deal’ was because he had gone to about 10 different stores in the last several months with his gun in plain view and no one had ever complained,” the report said...

Kirby didn’t mention being told to leave the mall the day before, police said.

"Everything you say can and will be used against you..."

Note to Self: Anything you say may be forwarded to the press who may use it against you.
 

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glock23 wrote:
Checking computers for the minivan the Kirbys arrived in, officers learned that the pair had staged an open carry the day before at Westfield Vancouver mall
I don't get this part!

Is LE tracking law abiding citizen activities? They had on thier computer the information that someone had an activity planned?

Or are they refering to theircomputer showed a case or incident# of the run in with mall security the day before and matched the plate #?
 

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jbone wrote:
glock23 wrote:
Checking computers for the minivan the Kirbys arrived in, officers learned that the pair had staged an open carry the day before at Westfield Vancouver mall
I don't get this part!

Is LE tracking law abiding citizen activities? They had on thier computer the information that someone had an activity planned?

Or are they refering to their computer showed a case or incident # of the run in with mall security the day before and matched the plate #?

More than likely it showed an incident involving the plates of their van.
 

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So if we follow this train of thought.A brady campainer or someone from cease fire could follow you into a Starbucks or anywhere and say he's scaring me even though you have a properly holstered side arm and they will start procecuting folks.Now I'm pissed.....

Can you imagine how bold cops are going to be with this.
 

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DEROS72 wrote:
So if we follow this train of thought.A brady campainer or someone from cease fire could follow you into a Starbucks or anywhere and say he's scaring me even though you have a properly holstered side arm and they will start procecuting folks.Now I'm pissed.....

Can you imagine how bold cops are going to be with this.

Exactly!

Feelings do not dictate the law!
 

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And police wonder why there is an us vrs.them mentality growing.They have no business enforcing that kind of crap.I have had to occasions where the police were called on me.In both instances ,(these were good cops) they chewed out the person calling because we were or I was within our legal rights.

We let this stand it will get out of controll.Some of these LE are arogant liberal kiss ups that think they are gods gift and are the only ones that should be allowed to defend themselves.Yet where are they when actuall real crimes go down .I have never seen one stop a crime before it happened.
 

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And police wonder why there is an us vrs.them mentality growing.They have no business enforcing that kind of crap.I have had to occasions where the police were called on me.In both instances ,(these were good cops) they chewed out the person calling because we were or I was within our legal rights.Also the State patrol was awesome when Facetelli tried to get us thrown out of the hearing in Olympia.They stood by the law .

We let this stand it will get out of controll.Some of these LE are arogant liberal kiss ups that think they are gods gift and are the only ones that should be allowed to defend themselves.Yet where are they when actuall real crimes go down .I have never seen one stop a crime before it happened.
 

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I guess not having a picnic down there really caused the prosecutor to not file charges.

Worked awesome.

I guess, according to Workman's logic, no one should have a demonstration, picnic, or protest down there now... because it might cause the judge to find the guy guilty.

Just saying ;)
 

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I think the prosecuter was looking at it from a rock and a hard spot. On the one handI think he might know he will loose in court but if he was to drop the charges then that would encourage more people to open-carry and I dont think they want that at all. IMO I think hes taking hischances in court.
 

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"The Springfield Armory XP pistol had a round in its chamber and several more in the magazine snapped into its handle. More cartridges were in the two extra magazines, for a total of 35, the report said."

When did Microsoft team up with Springfield Armory to make a pistol? I wonder if it comes with SP3... lol.

And why carry an almost unloaded mag? the XD carries 14+1 so if one was in the chamber then one of the mags only has 6 rounds???
 

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RCW 9.41.270 says nothing about round count to be allowed or disallowed. Nor does it say anything about the number of magazines carried; not even the number of clips. As a matter of fact there are a whole bunch of terms not found in RCW 9.41.270: Here's a partial list of phrases, words, or terms that are not there.

appropriate (appropriate is used 10 times in RCW 9.41 but never to describe the behavior of armed citizens)
brandishing (brandish or brandishing is not anywhere in RCW 9.41)
causes alarm
causes ("causes" is not found anywhere in RCW 9.41)
concealed or any definition thereof (except in .270 (2) loss of concealed pistol license for violation and conviction of (1))
holster or any discussion thereof (not in any part of RCW 9.41)
making people nervous
safe (safety is never used in the context of devices on firearms)
scaring people ("scare" or "scaring" is not to be found anywhere in RCW 9.41)
shock or shocked is nowhere to be found in RCW 9.41
the right to be unafraid
the right to be free from fear

I say the above because I believe that the PA is trying the case in the court of public opinion.

MD
 

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1) Pass out jury nullification flyers outside the courthouse. They won't press charges, because they have to show the jurors the actual case law that proves that jury nullification is "real" and lawful. They'll also like to get you out of their hair, so they may realize that it is not in the public's best interest to continue with the kangaroo court.
2) Mount a phone and fax campaign to the prosecutors office of WA state citizens that feel that it is not in their (and the public's) good to go forward with the charges, and explain why.
 

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cynicist wrote:
1) Pass out jury nullification flyers outside the courthouse. They won't press charges, because they have to show the jurors the actual case law that proves that jury nullification is "real" and lawful. They'll also like to get you out of their hair, so they may realize that it is not in the public's best interest to continue with the kangaroo court.
2) Mount a phone and fax campaign to the prosecutors office of WA state citizens that feel that it is not in their (and the public's) good to go forward with the charges, and explain why.
They would declare a mistrial, and hold you in contempt of court
 

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They would declare a mistrial, and hold you in contempt of court

Not if you just do it outside the court. They may declare a mistrial is they can prove something wrong in happened in the trial, but they don't want to risk poisoning all the other victimless crime prosecutions by supporters passing out fliers around the time of the next trial.
It's been done before, and they've filed charges of jury tampering, but they couldn't figure out a way to show the jury the evidence (fliers about jury nullification, its legal precedent, its use in American history, what the Founders said about it, and why the prosecutor and judge don't want you to know about it) and still convince them to convict of jury tampering.
 

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DEROS72 wrote:
.Some of these LE are arogant liberal kiss ups that think they are gods gift and are the only ones that should be allowed to defend themselves..

Because conservative police officers wouldn't do such a thing right? Most LEO's that I have met that are against civilians carrying handguns are conservative bible-thumpers.

Yes, you did say "some." Are you saying then that "most" are conservatives?
 
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