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bnhcomputing
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You are correct, Wisconsin Carry, Inc. advocates for both "open carry", which is legal, and we WANT "concealed carry" to be legal also. We would prefer an Alaska/Arizona type concealed carry were you would only choose to get the permit IF you wanted to carry in another state like MN or MI.
So, asa Wisconsin resident, you don't wanttherequirement to obtaina permit to carry in Wisconsin, but you do want increase Wisconsin governmental bureaucracy to give you a permit to carry in other states.
I want you to think about what I just wrote for awhile. I hope that you will come to see how hypocritical your preferencetruly is.
Alaska and Arizona are still one step short of whereVermont is.Alaska and Arizonaalready had the bureaucratic structure in place when they passed legislation to remove the requirement toobtain a permit for heir own residents. Wisconsin does not have that bureaucratic structure in place. If you want a permit for reciprocity, then you will get one to CCW in Wisconsin as well.
Howdoes that old cliche go, "You can't have your cake andeatit too".
bnhcomputing
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The suggestion that "a dozen people" get "convicted" of a crime in and of itself would promote/condone violating the law. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. does not and will not condone violating the law at this time. That's not to say it won't come to that, but we would prefer to work through the civil rather than criminal courts.
My apology. I did not mean that person's should get arrested so that Wisconsin Carry Inc. may file a lawsuit. That is just what I would be willing to do, but I cannot get arrested. What I had intended to say is that your organization should find a dozens CCW convictions that could be appealled.
bnhcomputing
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I would appreciate a cite to where the higher court, "said they would throw the statute out," as I personally haven't seen such a statement.
Again, I apologize. I cannot provide you with a citation. I just assumed that it was true asit waslaw enforcement officers that told me about it. I also figured thata gun rights group that has a lawyer on the Board of Directotr, from the firm that argued the case, you would have it already. If it is not true, I will certainly challenge the friends that told me.
bnhcomputing
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As a personal observation (not WCI) "open carry" is a much better deterrent than concealed carry. With concealed, the crime has already happened and now we must decide how/when/if to react. With only 2-3% of the general public having CCW permits, the criminals know they have a 97% chance you aren't armed.
Open Carry may have the advantage of a slighty quicker draw.Thedisadvantage is that what is being observed is obvioulsy a draw because the firearm can be seen. Drawing from concealment can be made to look like several other things.
It mayadetterant for lesser criminals. Lesser Criminals. Open Carry becomes ever more so theliability the more hardened the criminal. If you don't agree with me, then let us have the debate. I will allow you the opportunity to present situations as to where Open Carry is a crime deternat. I will follow and present situations as to where Open Carry becomes a liability.
Do you really think, that just becasue someone resorts to crime, that they are unintellegent. Your math is flawed. If only 3% of the population has a CCW Permit, you make the assumption that 97% are unarmed. The criminal knows this is not true, because he does not have a permit, yet he is armed. Also, I know many non-criminals that CCW without a permit. Whatever the number of CCW permit holders is, the number that CCW is always greater.
bnhcomputing
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Again, WELCOME, and carry on.
Thank you for the gesture. I hope it carries on. I will never attack someone personally.Though, I will challenge them on the issues
I have had an private email conversation with the one known here as BROKENSPOKET. He would end each correspondence with "Carry On & Carry Always". I like the guy and trust him, but I called him out on that. That salutation belongs to us that CCW.Someone that only carries openlycannot"Carry Always"
So I close with.....
Carry On & Carry Always
