imported post
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
"If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun, fail to promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the person after the person has been stopped that the person has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the person then is carrying a concealed handgun"
Other than the obvious traffic stop or RAS detainment, exactly what does "stopped for a law enforcement purpose" mean? If I'm standing in line at Walmart and leo approaches me to ask why my t-shirt says "Shall not be infringed", is that a "stop", is there a law they are enforcing and is their purpose simply to ask a question?
The way this is worded it seems to me like they could use any excuse in the world. I read this as the language "law enforcement purpose" to mean they are enforcing the laws of Ohio. Why do I get the feeling they worded this so that it can be used to mean whatever they want it to, such as "officer had a hunch" or "something looked out of place so we asked him questions".
I also see this language as a way to screw the guy who was just stopped and has already informed. This says that you have to inform "any" leo who approaches you after you have been stopped. I read that to mean that if leo 1 stops you then leo 2 walks over, then 3, then 4, etc., you have to notify them as well?
What if the leo simply approaches you to ask if you were a witness, is that a stop? If so then leo cannot then approach you because the stop occurred after the fact, so do you still have to alert them? And if that's the case then what if they stop you, walk back to their car, then turn around to approach you again? Why can't they simply say "any encounter" or "for RAS"?
And then you have this scenario: Leo approaches you looking for info about potential crime you witnessed. While talking he notices bulge on your side, asks if you're CC, you refuse to answer, he eventually decides to conduct Terry frisk and finds CCW. Is there RAS or fruit of poisonous tree? If suppressed, get license back or still have to wait a year?
Has the state defined "Sopped" and "Law enforcement purpose"?
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http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.12
"If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun, fail to promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the person after the person has been stopped that the person has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the person then is carrying a concealed handgun"
Other than the obvious traffic stop or RAS detainment, exactly what does "stopped for a law enforcement purpose" mean? If I'm standing in line at Walmart and leo approaches me to ask why my t-shirt says "Shall not be infringed", is that a "stop", is there a law they are enforcing and is their purpose simply to ask a question?
The way this is worded it seems to me like they could use any excuse in the world. I read this as the language "law enforcement purpose" to mean they are enforcing the laws of Ohio. Why do I get the feeling they worded this so that it can be used to mean whatever they want it to, such as "officer had a hunch" or "something looked out of place so we asked him questions".
I also see this language as a way to screw the guy who was just stopped and has already informed. This says that you have to inform "any" leo who approaches you after you have been stopped. I read that to mean that if leo 1 stops you then leo 2 walks over, then 3, then 4, etc., you have to notify them as well?
What if the leo simply approaches you to ask if you were a witness, is that a stop? If so then leo cannot then approach you because the stop occurred after the fact, so do you still have to alert them? And if that's the case then what if they stop you, walk back to their car, then turn around to approach you again? Why can't they simply say "any encounter" or "for RAS"?
And then you have this scenario: Leo approaches you looking for info about potential crime you witnessed. While talking he notices bulge on your side, asks if you're CC, you refuse to answer, he eventually decides to conduct Terry frisk and finds CCW. Is there RAS or fruit of poisonous tree? If suppressed, get license back or still have to wait a year?
Has the state defined "Sopped" and "Law enforcement purpose"?
.