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    Open carry controversy just won't go away



    [size=Thanks to an open carry incident in Vancouver on March 19 which I discussed here, the open carry controversy that began with the Brady Campaign’s attack on Starbucks – which I wrote about here and here – just won’t go away.][/size]

    [size= ][/size]Perhaps that’s a good thing, but one must always be careful what one wishes for, as it may come true.

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    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m4d2-Open-carry-controversy-just-wont-go-away


    Or try this:

    http://tinyurl.com/y8jrtd6




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    Good report Dave - Thanks again.
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    I'm listening to the radio interview that was referenced in the article. I loved the quote from Jim when asked asked to what type of message he was trying to send by OCing.

    The gist of his response was "I'm not trying to send a message. I'm just trying to protect myself".

    Perfect response.

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    Ginny Burdick is describing the gun "safety" rules she learned as a child: "If you see a gun, get out of the area". She says she won't go to Starbucks because it's too dangerous to go there now.

    She's telling the listeners that she gets lots of support from NRA members.

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    BTW: The Brady Campaign Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. No date yet, just next week.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Item #2: Fascitelli simply will not get off this manufactured talking point that private businesses have a right to refuse service to anyone for any number of reasons, including carrying guns into coffee shops. That’s disingenuous and he knows it. It’s half of an argument. He and Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, have steadfastly refused to acknowledge that private businesses also have the right to serve anybody they damn well please.

    I love that, Dave!* Very good!* And also their refusal to allow dissenting opinions on their websites, banning anyone who dares disagree with them!* At least we allow dissenting opinions here (although there is a rogue can of troll spray that shows up every now and then)... ;-).

    This was THE point I was about to make in reaction to Ralph, but the music came up and the clock ran out. I'll get him next time.

    I just don''t think he will appear live with me anywhere. Jim told me how he reacted in Oly at the hearing when several guys showed up with their pieces.

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    Dave Workman wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    Item #2: Fascitelli simply will not get off this manufactured talking point that private businesses have a right to refuse service to anyone for any number of reasons, including carrying guns into coffee shops. That’s disingenuous and he knows it. It’s half of an argument. He and Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, have steadfastly refused to acknowledge that private businesses also have the right to serve anybody they damn well please.

    I love that, Dave!* Very good!* And also their refusal to allow dissenting opinions on their websites, banning anyone who dares disagree with them!* At least we allow dissenting opinions here (although there is a rogue can of troll spray that shows up every now and then)... ;-).

    This was THE point I was about to make in reaction to Ralph, but the music came up and the clock ran out. I'll get him next time.

    I just don''t think he will appear live with me anywhere. Jim told me how he reacted in Oly at the hearing when several guys showed up with their pieces.
    Nice job Dave and Jim.

    Dave make sure you let us know if Ralph ever does debate you live because I sure the hell want to be there live and see him stutter and back pedal.
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    what is this Daily Show segment you speak of M1????
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    M1Gunr wrote:
    BTW: The Brady Campaign Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. No date yet, just next week.
    I was looking for it, I heard paul herpe was supposed to be on it. I really hope to see Jon Stewart to be more about common sense and actual lawthan that doofus Jim Kimmel.
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    amzbrady wrote:
    M1Gunr wrote:
    BTW: The Brady Campaign Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. No date yet, just next week.
    I was looking for it, I heard paul herpe was supposed to be on it. I really hope to see Jon Stewart to be more about common sense and actual lawthan that doofus Jim Kimmel.
    This is all I have from their Facebook entry:
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence The Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. We'll keep you posted on its new air date when we hear...

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    amzbrady wrote:
    M1Gunr wrote:
    BTW: The Brady Campaign Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. No date yet, just next week.
    I was looking for it, I heard paul herpe was supposed to be on it. I really hope to see Jon Stewart to be more about common sense and actual lawthan that doofus Jim Kimmel.
    This is all I have from their Facebook entry:
    Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence The Daily Show segment has been pushed to next week. We'll keep you posted on its new air date when we hear...
    Yep, same place I saw it. We dont have comedy central, so when it comes up you can watch it here http://www.thedailyshow.com/ Go to the top tabs and click on videos then you can browse past guests.
    If you voted for Obama to prove you are not a racist...
    what will you do now to prove you are not stupid?

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    http://www.facebook.com/bradycampaign?ref=mf#!/album.php?aid=155126&id=6236054211

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    Item #2: Fascitelli simply will not get off this manufactured talking point that private businesses have a right to refuse service to anyone for any number of reasons, including carrying guns into coffee shops. That’s disingenuous and he knows it. It’s half of an argument. He and Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign, have steadfastly refused to acknowledge that private businesses also have the right to serve anybody they damn well please.
    I love that, Dave! Very good! And also their refusal to allow dissenting opinions on their websites, banning anyone who dares disagree with them! At least we allow dissenting opinions here (although there is a rogue can of troll spray that shows up every now and then)... ;-).
    They have a Private Facebook page that you must be apply and be accepted for membership. Also you will find a "My Space" page devoted to the Brady Bunch.

    Good Luck getting on either of these forums.

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    I love that, Dave!* Very good!* And also their refusal to allow dissenting opinions on their websites, banning anyone who dares disagree with them!* At least we allow dissenting opinions here (although there is a rogue can of troll spray that shows up every now and then)... ;-).
    I am glad you picked up on that. A lot of people don't, and that's the rub.
    You could help by just forwarding that quote alone to everybody you know, and asking them to do the same because that is THE lynchpin of this whole B.S. argument.

    As i've written repeatedly, this thing is manufactured to get these people face time and headlines.

    But the whole thing unravels if they are challenged.

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    Burdick identifies herself as a “gun safety” advocate. That’s more fashionable than being called a “gun control” advocate one supposes, but it means the same thing. In my experience, “safety” with gun control proponents is a substitute for “restriction.” (About the same as liberals now call themselves "progressives." Ask someone who has lost his or her job in the last 14 months how that change thing is progressing for them, personally. Ask the Democrat majority in Olympia how much "progress" they're making on balancing the budget without raising taxes.)
    Actually, Dave, it's kind of like liberals calling themselves..."liberals", since a real liberal would be Thomas Jefferson and most of the people reading this.

    I haven't been keeping up on current events in that corner of the country since OCDO's membership exploded, I wish the best for Mr. Kirby. Sucks to see him jammed up for no good reason.



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    They have a Private Facebook page that you must be apply and be accepted for membership. Also you will find a "My Space" page devoted to the Brady Bunch. Good Luck getting on either of these forums. -Whitney
    So far so good for me....



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    Is this you?
    That's not me but I have been on their site posting for almost 1 week now


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    Personally, knowing that honest, truthful posts of my personal opinions would NOT be allowed to remain on the Brady FB pages, I absolutely refuse to give them another "count" in their bodycount for them to point at and say "look how many people agree with us!"

    They view every "fan" as another point in their favor, even if the person joined only to disagree with something said.

    Essentially adding to their numbers in that way (giving them bodycount without the ability to actually express opinions, correct misinformation, and educate) simply adds to their clout by appearing to be a supporter.
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