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    bigtoe416 wrote: Figures... It's another DEMOCRAP !

    If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
    If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
    If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
    If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

    If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
    A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
    If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
    Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
    If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
    A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
    If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
    A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
    If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
    A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".



    Well, I forwarded it. [/color]





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    Who is Calguns going to scapegoat for this one?
    Do you want to enjoy liberty in your lifetime?

    Consider moving to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project.

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    White power!

    "1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead to the future!"

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    wewd wrote:
    Who is Calguns going to scapegoat for this one?
    Do you have to ask? Open carriers of course. Because we ruin it for everyone else, not the anti-liberty, socialist & fascist loving liberals who have blatantly violated their oaths of office. Domestic enemies...all of them! But its the patriots' fault for refusing to be silenced and cowered.
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    They've already scapegoated the democrat scum who proposed the legislation.

    Why the rush to smear CGF? Doing so does not help any pro-2A/RKBA cause and just promotes more in-fighting.

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    wewd wrote:
    Who is Calguns going to scapegoat for this one?
    Do you have to ask? Open carriers of course. Because we ruin it for everyone else, not the anti-liberty, socialist & fascist loving liberals who have blatantly violated their oaths of office. Domestic enemies...all of them! But its the patriots' fault for refusing to be silenced and cowered.
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

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    demnogis wrote:
    They've already scapegoated the democrat scum who proposed the legislation.

    Why the rush to smear CGF? Doing so does not help any pro-2A/RKBA cause and just promotes more in-fighting.

    coolusername2007 wrote:
    wewd wrote:
    Who is Calguns going to scapegoat for this one?
    Do you have to ask? Open carriers of course. Because we ruin it for everyone else, not the anti-liberty, socialist & fascist loving liberals who have blatantly violated their oaths of office. Domestic enemies...all of them! But its the patriots' fault for refusing to be silenced and cowered.
    It wasn't my intent to smear CGF. When I wrote this message I had in mind CGN. Give it time, when the scumbag who proposed this legislation speaks and makes one mention of UOC, "they" on CGN will pile on.

    And I'm not promoting in-fighting by any means, but I am promoting the public shunning of so-called Pro-2A'ers who only support their CCW vision, and not all gun owners rights to carry as they choose. There can be a master plan and strategy, but they must support all gun owners right to carry as they choose. Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.




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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?

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    jdoe wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?
    Why cut ourselves short? Why limit our rights needlessly?
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    jdoe wrote:
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    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?
    Just keep in mind that being loud does not always equate to being right.

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    obeygiant wrote:
    jdoe wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?
    Just keep in mind that being loud does not always equate to being right.
    Correct. As those who support CCW but not open carry (in any form) are definitely not part of "the right people."
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    obeygiant wrote:
    jdoe wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?
    Just keep in mind that being loud does not always equate to being right.
    Correct. As those who support CCW but not open carry (in any form) are definitely not part of "the right people."
    let me quote someone who I think sums up my stance on this

    at some point the Pro-2A crowd is going to have to come to its own defense. If we cannot count on each other, then we're doomed to lose all our RKBA rights in this state. At some point, the Pro-2A crowd is going to have to say "even though I don't want to OC, I will defend those who do", just as much as the OC crowd is saying "we will defend the CCW crowd, even though we prefer OC." “Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.” --Patrick Henry

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    or perhaps this one:

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    I support OCDO, CGN, and CGF! Divided we lose. United we win. Stop helping the anti-2A forces by being divisive.



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    obeygiant wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    obeygiant wrote:
    jdoe wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Anything less and they should be shunned, because anything less is not 2A.
    All or nothing huh?
    Just keep in mind that being loud does not always equate to being right.
    Correct. As those who support CCW but not open carry (in any form) are definitely not part of "the right people."
    let me quote someone who I think sums up my stance on this

    at some point the Pro-2A crowd is going to have to come to its own defense. If we cannot count on each other, then we're doomed to lose all our RKBA rights in this state. At some point, the Pro-2A crowd is going to have to say "even though I don't want to OC, I will defend those who do", just as much as the OC crowd is saying "we will defend the CCW crowd, even though we prefer OC." “Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.” --Patrick Henry
    Thanks OG. When I read the quote you posted, I thought "wow what a great quote." Then I clicked on the link you made and saw that it was mine and was actually embarrassed a little.
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    Hey,

    This is SERIOUS. even the "Crossroads of the West Gun Show" people have emailed me about it.


    CROSSROADS OF THE WEST GUN SHOWS

    *SALT LAKE CITY * SAN FRANCISCO * SAN DIEGO * ORANGE COUNTY * PHOENIX * LAS VEGAS * RENO * ONTARIO * TUCSON * MESA


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    LEGISLATIVE ALERT - IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED !!
    This bill represents an immediate & serious threat to our continuing ability to purchase long guns without the ten-day wait and registration the bill would impose.


    PROPOSED REGISTRATION OF RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS - OPPOSE!

    AB 1810 (FEUER) Firearms
    Assemblyman Michael Feuer, D-los Angeles, wants your rifles and shotguns registered!!

    If passed, AB 1810 would require the registration of rifles and shotguns at the time of sale or other form of transfer such as when given as a gift, even if given by a father to his son or daughter, or through other inheritance!

    IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT RETAILERS PUT THEIR CUSTOMERS THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS OF FORMS COMPLETION, RECORD KEEPING, AND REPORTING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AS THEY DO NOW FOR HANDGUNS! IT WOULD BE TIME CONSUMING AND COSTLY.

    The cost increases would necessarily have to be passed on to customers in the form of higher prices! Retailers, including when at gun shows, would have no choice; it would be the only way that they could stay in business!!

    AB 1810 is set for hearing in the Assembly Committee on Public Safety on Tuesday, April 13, 2010.

    There is no valid reason for the registration of rifles and shotguns. Compared to handguns. Such firearms are rarely used in crime and their registration would not significantly help to solve or prevent crimes.

    COTW Gun Show attendees are asked to immediately contact Assembly Member Feuer, the Assembly Committee on Public Safety, and their own Legislative District Assembly Member in strong opposition to AB 1810!

    PLEASE ACT ON THIS NOW!

    IMMEDIATE ACTION IS NEEDED!!

    PLEASE CONTACT THE FOLLOWING NOW IN OPPOSITION TO AB 1810:

    1. Author: Assembly Member Michael Feuer, State Capitol Building, Rm. 3146, Sacramento, Ca. 95814: Phone (916) 319-2042; FAX (916) 319-2142.

    2. Assembly Committee on Public Safety:
    Committee office:
    1020 N. Street, Room 111, Sacramento, Ca. 95814; Phone (916) 319-3744; FAX (916) 319-3745.

    Committee members:
    Ammiano (Chair), Hagman (Vice Chair), Beall, Gilmore, Hill, Portantino, and Skinner *.

    [font=Calibri]3. Your own State Assembly Representative.

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    PincheOgro1 wrote:
    Hey,

    This is SERIOUS. even the "Crossroads of the West Gun Show" people have emailed me about it.

    They only emailed you about it because they saw me post about it said, "Hey, this is serious! bigtoe416 posted this on OCDO!"

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    I support this registration.
    Soon, California, like Canada, will have totally wasted a few (more) billion dollars, and will be so broke that the only option remaining will be a big yard sale.

    I bid $100 for Santa Barbara!

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    If this passes, my long guns are being shipped to family in AZ until such time I can evacuate.
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    I'm a new gun owner and as I've learned about the laws around gun ownership the more I've realized just how irrational some of them are. Don't get me wrong, I believe that some gun control is required, such as background checks at the point of sale but I don't really see what good registration does. It's almost like the legislators introduce these types of bills to make people feel good, that they're orange cones in the street to say, "See, we're doing our job to keep you safe." I'd be interested to know the percentage of registered handguns (since handguns are the only firearm currently registered) that were lawfully purchased and end up in criminal's hands, not through theft (and reported by the lawful owner) but that were simply "resold" on the black market or just given to someone who can not lawfully own a gun and used in a crime. I'd be willing to bet the percentage is very small if anything at all. Sure, some lawfully owned handguns are used in crimes as well, I would postulate murders of passion or emotion as the primary crime that lawful handguns are used for. But how does registering of a handgun help, other than to identify that that handgun is owned by the suspect?

    Okay, I'm going to stop now...I'm just rambling...

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    I think I'll wait till after incorporation and then decide what to do.
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    PincheOgro1 wrote:
    bigtoe416 wrote: If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
    If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
    If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
    If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

    If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
    A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
    If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
    Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
    If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
    A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
    If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
    A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
    If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
    A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".



    Well, I forwarded it.



    can we make a shirt off of this?

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    It would be nice if we have a law that says all bills be subject to the people's approval before it is even sent to the Gov'ner for signature, and if they don't pass the people's test, the bill's author gets 30 days to pack up.

    Maybe we will have more sensible bills passed by sensible legislators. Or maybe we will run out of 'em.

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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    If this passes, my long guns are being shipped to family in AZ until such time I can evacuate.
    I haven't read this bill yet but my preliminary understanding is that it proposes a scheme similar to that of the current handgun registration law, where long guns presently owned are not required to be registered, but any new guns bought or transferred are automatically registered during DROS, and those imported into the state must be registered. There will be a grandfathered class of long guns as there is currently is for handguns. It's still a huge shovel full of bull-s, but we needn't ship our rifles and shotguns out of state just yet, unless we are shipping ourselves out as well (New Hampshire here I come).
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