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Adam H wrote:
What's wrong with the police having AR-15s?
The problem with it is that:
1) Greenville PD have a notorious reputation in NC for being over-reactive toward ANY civilian who is legally carrying,
2) Greenville is a college town, and as egregiously invasive and Constitution-trampling as ECU Campus Police are, GPD has been know to overstep their bounds with even more offensive attitudes, and
3) Greenville is a city. AR-15's are rifles with a lethal range of close to 1 mile. With the average round-fired-to-hit ratio of Police in the USA (according to the DOJ) somewhere around 4 to 1, that is the potential for a LOT of stray rifle rounds downrange, in neighborhoods, schools, shopping plazas and college property. If the Sheriff wants them, that's one thing (they patrol the rural areas, and have to deal with things like feral dogs, mountain lions, and bears), but in a city the size of Greenville, I just don't see any tactical, operational, or even financial reason they needed to spend that money on firearms that are so egregiously unsuited to their environment and operational requirements.
With the types of threats that are present now, the police sometimes need a little more firepower than a pistol or a shotgun.
According to the most recent DOJ and FBI statistics, violent crime has been on a steady DOWN trend for the last 10 years, and has seen dramatic drops in the last 3 years. Violent crime is, in fact, at a record nationwide LOW. According to the government's own statistics, violent crime hasn't been this low, on average, in over 30 years.
The police (and the public) are actually LESS likely to meet up with violent crime today than at any time since the 1960's
The only places there has been a significant up-trend in violent crime are locales with unreasonably tough firearms laws (Baltimore, Chicago, LA, DC) and "sanctuary cities" (Phoenix & Tuscon AZ, Denver CO, most of the big cities in CA, New Haven CT, Cambridge MA, Montgomery County MD, Fairfax County VA, etc). The VAST majority of cities, towns, counties, and states are actually seeing their lowest violent crime rates in nearly 3 decades.
Heck, even the bloody streets of Baltimore MD saw a 25% reduction in violent crime last year. (Of course, even with that drop, they are still nearly 3 times as high as the national average, and nearly 12 times higher than the lowest rates in the country, but it's something, eh?)
There is simply NO reason for police in a small town like Greenville to be carrying a rifle like an AR-15 in their cruiser as standard issue. It is tactically inferior for crowd control, it has a far greater lethality range when a round misses it's target, it is more prone to over-penetrate and endanger innocent bystanders, it is MUCH more attractive for thieves, and it is essentially a "one-trick pony".
A 12ga shotgun, on the other hand, has limited range (thereby, making is MUCH safer to use in urban settings) can chamber and fire both lethal and "less-than-lethal" rounds (like beanbags, rubber bullets, or even teargas rounds) and can be used as a breaching tool. A rifle can do NONE of these things. Shotguns are more tactically versatile than rifles in urban settings. Period. End of discussion.
The ONLY reason they "need" AR15s is so that when they get out of their cruisers, they can look even MORE menacing, and people will be even less likely to stand up for their rights when the police "cross the line". This has NOTHING to do with "officer safety" and EVERYTHING to do with the further militarization of civilian law enforcement, and intimidation of the public.
Open Carry will become an ENTIRELY different "game" if this trend spreads. Imagine two power-hungry officers, who believe that their "monopoly on force" is actually legitimate, show up for your next MWAG call toting a couple AR-15s. This will change the dynamic DRAMATICALLY, and I for one, do NOT want to have to explain why I'm engaged in a perfectly legal and lawful activity while staring down a .223 cal barrel with 20 rounds and an itchy trigger finger behind it.
We'd better start wrapping our voice recorders in Level IV Kevlar, folks...