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Hello to one and all,
More than a few may recognize the handle, nick name, or whatever reference point one calls LMTD from missouricarry, I am one and the same.
I am here to finish an internal debate :banghead: and it was sparked by a discussion with a person whom is an OC advocate of sound mind and responsible well thought out communications. There is no link to the conversations as they were private and will likely continue on in that same manner.
Since my own thoughts would lend themselves to a bit of wariness on anyone new to a group and I would want to get a "feel" for them and their opinions, I will make it really easy from the git go.
OC vs CCW...I don't know where I stand, it is as simple as that and I am researching it as you read this line.
Like anyone else, my opinions are my own and that makes the right, for me and me alone. I like to give others the same latitude and appreciate when it is reciprocated. I am not known as the most polite person in the world and have even been accused of being sharp in tone at times. If you find something offensive, feel free to direct contact me and share your thoughts as it is very likely I meant no offence but did so without intent, putting it simple as it is to me, I do not know you, why would I try and offend you?
I recently pulled up on a police officer in a city where open carry would be perfectly legal for me and asked him a few questions.
Lots of folks dismiss officers opinions as products of indoctrination and planned responses fed by the department and they are drones of some sort, I do not share that opinion. Since they are often involved in the less than stellar activities of the public, if they seem reasonable humans I give them some merit.
Back ground, I was dressed in button collar dress shirt, slacks, drove up in 2004 Grand Cherokee. Not that it should be important, but getting real here, if I pulled up in a jalopy wearing a tee shirt with a pot leaf on it, the responses would be different I would imagine.
I asked about open carry. His responses were decent but the first item of note, I think it was highly apparent he had no clue that OC was legal.
His thoughts significantly cliff-noted:
OC vs CCW, liked OC, I can see what I am up against on approach
ccw not a fan, feels they are handed out as simple as one can make the purchase
feels some get ccw whom are not responsible enough
knows a guy who should not be allowed guns but has ccw
2o + years on force, CCW made job lots more complex and lost tactical edge
feels police need advantage
only wants to go home at night
moved to late shift due to lower activity and more likely to go home at night
does not like the idea of oc based on retention issues and BG's or mentally unstable gaining more access
Now before anyone bandwagons it, I said cliff notes, not exact words. he was articulate and these responses were well thought out and supported, I just shortened them into bullet points.
I am well over 2k words into my own written internal debate, this was one step in thinking about it, a good one, it provoked thought. I disagree with much of what the officer said while at the same time appreciating his perspective.
Anyway, just thought I would wave at ya'all as I read post and develop opinions.
Hello to one and all,
More than a few may recognize the handle, nick name, or whatever reference point one calls LMTD from missouricarry, I am one and the same.
I am here to finish an internal debate :banghead: and it was sparked by a discussion with a person whom is an OC advocate of sound mind and responsible well thought out communications. There is no link to the conversations as they were private and will likely continue on in that same manner.
Since my own thoughts would lend themselves to a bit of wariness on anyone new to a group and I would want to get a "feel" for them and their opinions, I will make it really easy from the git go.
OC vs CCW...I don't know where I stand, it is as simple as that and I am researching it as you read this line.
Like anyone else, my opinions are my own and that makes the right, for me and me alone. I like to give others the same latitude and appreciate when it is reciprocated. I am not known as the most polite person in the world and have even been accused of being sharp in tone at times. If you find something offensive, feel free to direct contact me and share your thoughts as it is very likely I meant no offence but did so without intent, putting it simple as it is to me, I do not know you, why would I try and offend you?
I recently pulled up on a police officer in a city where open carry would be perfectly legal for me and asked him a few questions.
Lots of folks dismiss officers opinions as products of indoctrination and planned responses fed by the department and they are drones of some sort, I do not share that opinion. Since they are often involved in the less than stellar activities of the public, if they seem reasonable humans I give them some merit.
Back ground, I was dressed in button collar dress shirt, slacks, drove up in 2004 Grand Cherokee. Not that it should be important, but getting real here, if I pulled up in a jalopy wearing a tee shirt with a pot leaf on it, the responses would be different I would imagine.
I asked about open carry. His responses were decent but the first item of note, I think it was highly apparent he had no clue that OC was legal.
His thoughts significantly cliff-noted:
OC vs CCW, liked OC, I can see what I am up against on approach
ccw not a fan, feels they are handed out as simple as one can make the purchase
feels some get ccw whom are not responsible enough
knows a guy who should not be allowed guns but has ccw
2o + years on force, CCW made job lots more complex and lost tactical edge
feels police need advantage
only wants to go home at night
moved to late shift due to lower activity and more likely to go home at night
does not like the idea of oc based on retention issues and BG's or mentally unstable gaining more access
Now before anyone bandwagons it, I said cliff notes, not exact words. he was articulate and these responses were well thought out and supported, I just shortened them into bullet points.
I am well over 2k words into my own written internal debate, this was one step in thinking about it, a good one, it provoked thought. I disagree with much of what the officer said while at the same time appreciating his perspective.
Anyway, just thought I would wave at ya'all as I read post and develop opinions.