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    Daily Show producers say it's pretty certain that the segment featuring Brady President Paul Helmke will air tonight (on Comedy Central at 11pm/10c). Tune in!

    They seem pretty excited about it. Another one in their favor? I hope not. "Bastards"
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    Gloating Over Court Ruling In ‘Heller II’ Reveals Brady Campaign’s Gun Ban Philosophy
    By Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman

    http://www.ammoland.com/2010/04/08/g...an-philosophy/

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    I dont get comedy central, so I'm gonna have to wait till they upload it to their website.
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    Comedy Central seems a good place for Helmke and his thoughts.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    Comedy Central seems a good place for Helmke and his thoughts.
    They also play South Park episodes which are very libertarian.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    Comedy Central seems a good place for Helmke and his thoughts.
    They also play South Park episodes which are very libertarian.
    I meant that Helmke's positions are usually laughable....
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    M1Gunr wrote:
    Gloating Over Court Ruling In ‘Heller II’ Reveals Brady Campaign’s Gun Ban Philosophy
    By Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman

    http://www.ammoland.com/2010/04/08/g...an-philosophy/
    Just shows how desperate they are. The judge actually used arguments from the losing side of Heller to rule against the plaintiffs in Heller II. I think there is no doubt that this will be won when the full circuit hears it.

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    Here you go:

    April 12, 2010: Open Carrier Discrimination
    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...discrimination

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    Excellent!

    Mr Pierce and Mr Stollenwork....................Thanks!
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    WTF

    John Piercedid an awesome job, although I feel there was not a need to compare Open Carry to a gay lifestyle, one has nothing to do with another, seems like a second agenda there. Why did they use the gay pride rainbows to mark the states showing Open Carry?And did I miss something? Thereare only 12 states that allow open carry, and we're not one of them?I think this would have been better with Jon Stewart, I do understand them using race for a camparison on discrimination,but what we do is a choice, not something we're born with. Leave it to the Daily Show. (do we really all have about the same body type?)
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    I for one thought this was hilarious. If you do not have enough of a sense of humor to enjoy

    this piece then I may suggest you are too uptight to carry in the first place. John Stewart and

    most at the Daily show are not going to align with us in this debate anyway and I think we got

    off pretty easy considering the source.
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    this was funny, and much better than the other two. Nice to see them denounce Paul Hempe. I just didnt think they needed to add other issues in with it. Loved it when he saidthat he had been with pierce and his partner all day, and no one had been robbed while they were there.

    Edited to add. I still think the interview with Paul Hempe would have been better with Jon. I think Jon could have hit a few more nerves.
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    John Peirce himself hasmade the comparison that Open Carry to gun owners are like gays coming out of the closet.As ahetero Ifind no offense in that comparison.

    By comparing us to homosexuals (which I personally know and met a few who practice open carry too) does nothing but help our cause with liberal minded folks anyway.
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    John Peirce himself hasmade the comparison that Open Carry to gun owners are like gays coming out of the closet.As ahetero Ifind no offense in that comparison.

    By comparing us to homosexuals (which I personally know and met a few who practice open carry too) does nothing but help our cause with liberal minded folks anyway.
    Correct. This is a masterful way to get the liberals and moderates to open their minds and think a bit. Use their own logic against them. I actually love the argument, I am tired of hiding that I am a gun owner (whether I OC or CC). It is time for all of us to come out and let the nation know that we are all just like them.
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    gogodawgs wrote:
    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    John Peirce himself hasmade the comparison that Open Carry to gun owners are like gays coming out of the closet.As ahetero Ifind no offense in that comparison.

    By comparing us to homosexuals (which I personally know and met a few who practice open carry too) does nothing but help our cause with liberal minded folks anyway.
    Correct. This is a masterful way to get the liberals and moderates to open their minds and think a bit. Use their own logic against them. I actually love the argument, I am tired of hiding that I am a gun owner (whether I OC or CC). It is time for all of us to come out and let the nation know that we are all just like them.
    I think that unintentionally John Stewart might have helped our cause with this comparison too.

    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    I do know one thing, as many friends as I have lost due to alcohol related accidents. It's to bad the Brady Campaigners dont put their inthusiasm into protesting something that has killed more peoplethan handguns. Or maybe find a way to rid the world of the biggest killer of them all. Mosquitos.
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    amzbrady wrote:
    I do know one thing, as many friends as I have lost due to alcohol related accidents. It's to bad the Brady Campaigners dont put their inthusiasm into protesting something that has killed more peoplethan handguns. Or maybe find a way to rid the world of the biggest killer of them all. Mosquitos.
    They hada goodfix for mosquitos but Brady like people got it banned.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    You talking about "the fog"? It was DDT? They used to bring the trucks round every two weeks in the summer back in IL. We used to run out in the street and play in it, when they did. :?You know thinking about it....
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    They forgot Washington on their map.

    And any press is good press, I think.

    And come on. They made Brady to sound like a "gunophobe." I thought it was hilarious.
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    I have to admit that tying OC to OG (openly gay) was a bit of brilliance considering it was delivered to a mostly liberal audience. Of course, anti-gunners will counter with the idea that "gay" didn't kill four officers in a coffee shop but if we compare the body count of STDs vs. Firearms, I'd be willing to bet that criminal pistol use is only a little more lethal than irresponsible (i.e., promiscuous, unprotected) sex.

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    i thought the dailey show discussion on OC went well for the movement.

    in fact, i didnt know much about the OC movement untell i watched that show. so if you want to know if the Dailey show helped or hurt the cause... well i joined thanks to the Dailey show. (i joinedright after watching the show)

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    Now their are getting all riled up about something in Cali on the 20th

    http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/Mes...?em_id=40481.0


    Yay, Also they are done with us and starbucks here fora few

    Boo, they are off to Colorado with their "DEMANDS".

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    amzbrady wrote:
    WTF

    John Piercedid an awesome job, although I feel there was not a need to compare Open Carry to a gay lifestyle, one has nothing to do with another, seems like a second agenda there. Why did they use the gay pride rainbows to mark the states showing Open Carry?And did I miss something? Thereare only 12 states that allow open carry, and we're not one of them?I think this would have been better with Jon Stewart, I do understand them using race for a camparison on discrimination,but what we do is a choice, not something we're born with. Leave it to the Daily Show. (do we really all have about the same body type?)
    The Daily Show is meant to be humorous. Also, it's the perfect analogy. You have a lot of LGBT folk out there who are living in areas which are very anti-gun (DC, SF) or living in a place like Portland or Seattle. Some of those people who happen to be that way also open carry, like myself.

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    3/325 wrote:
    I have to admit that tying OC to OG (openly gay) was a bit of brilliance considering it was delivered to a mostly liberal audience. Of course, anti-gunners will counter with the idea that "gay" didn't kill four officers in a coffee shop but if we compare the body count of STDs vs. Firearms, I'd be willing to bet that criminal pistol use is only a little more lethal than irresponsible (i.e., promiscuous, unprotected) sex.
    That's not a response you'll want to make in an argument against the anti-gunners, as it makes you out to be someone who thinks of all gays and lesbians to be disease ridden and makes you look like a bigot. Perhaps on a local scale sexually transmitted infections may be a little more "prevalent" among gay men in urban locales (that certainly is not the case for lesbians), in suburban and rural areas and especially on a worldwide scale, HIV is a very much primarily a disease spread by heterosexuals. There's a reason why if you've even stepped foot in Africa for any longer than an airport layover you get a large amount of scrutiny if you ever try to donate blood.

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    Gray Peterson wrote:
    3/325 wrote:
    I have to admit that tying OC to OG (openly gay) was a bit of brilliance considering it was delivered to a mostly liberal audience. Of course, anti-gunners will counter with the idea that "gay" didn't kill four officers in a coffee shop but if we compare the body count of STDs vs. Firearms, I'd be willing to bet that criminal pistol use is only a little more lethal than irresponsible (i.e., promiscuous, unprotected) sex.
    That's not a response you'll want to make in an argument against the anti-gunners, as it makes you out to be someone who thinks of all gays and lesbians to be disease ridden and makes you look like a bigot.* Perhaps on a local scale sexually transmitted infections may be a little more "prevalent" among gay men in urban locales (that certainly is not the case for lesbians), in suburban and rural areas and especially on a worldwide scale, HIV is a very much primarily a disease spread by heterosexuals.** There's a reason why if you've even stepped foot in Africa for any longer than an airport layover you get a large amount of scrutiny if you ever try to donate blood.
    +1



    Anyway, I think John Piece knew exactly what he was doing when he brought up the "in the closet" analogy.

    He knew it would be played for chuckles, but that some folks are going to see that there's actually a lot more truth there than in anything Helmke said. The first step is laughing, the second step is tolerance, and the final step is acceptance.

    Also, I think it benefits us that Helmke was asked if open carriers are "an abomination", and after an incredibly awkward pause he declares that there is simply no way we are "normal human beings".

    Like I said in another thread, if that's not ignorance and hate, I don't know what is.

    It's one thing to disagree over a matter of debate. It's another to simply decide those you cannot agree with are inferior human beings. Helmke's views are little different than "I don't understand those gays and their sexual proclivities, they must be NOT NORMAL!"

    This will play nicely into what Pierce said, I suspect.

    For the record, I personally do not consider Paul Helmke to be "not a normal human being". He is a normal human being, who happens to have neurotic paranoias and be wrong about a great many issues. But plenty of "normal" people are paranoid and incorrect on certain issues.

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