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    http://www.forestgrovenewstimes.com/...77009134675800





    Forest Grove man scares off attacker with warning shot
    Man fires round after drunk assailant pins him on the ground
    By Christian Gaston

    The Forest Grove News-Times, Apr 8, 2010








    A 55-year-old Forest Grove man narrowly escaped a brawl with a drunk 21-year-old from Cornelius early Wednesday morning by firing a warning shot from his pistol while he was pinned, Police said.
    John McKnight was walking his dog on the 1700 block of Elm Street about a half-hour after midnight Wednesday when he was accosted by a trio of inebriated young men.

    McKnight said the three men assailed him with insults and continued to threaten him. McKnight then drew a .38 caliber pistol and told the trio to back down.

    Police say Michael W. Ryan III, a Cornelius man with no fixed address, then said he didn't believe the gun was loaded, and began to assault McKnight.

    Police say that Ryan kicked and choked McKnight, who struggled to free himself. In the midst of the struggle, Ryan bit McKnight's finger.

    "He bit his finger pretty severely," said Capt. Aaron Ashbaugh, spokesman for the Forest Grove Police Department.

    McKnight told police that Ryan had him in a sleeper hold and he felt that he was losing consciousness when he fired a shot from his revolver near Ryan's head.

    Only then did the young man back off, Police said.

    Officers were on the scene shortly afterward, responding to a number of 9-1-1 calls made during the incident. One of the two men walking with Ryan told police he also called 9-1-1.

    Ryan was arrested on charges of Assault IV, strangulation and disorderly conduct and was booked in the Washington County Jail.

    McKnight, who suffered minor injuries from the assault, possessed a valid concealed weapon permit.







    Drawing the weapon on verbal threats. Hmmm. Glad it all worked out okay in theend.

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    astraflyr wrote:
    Drawing the weapon on verbal threats. Hmmm. Glad it all worked out okay in theend.
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    I would have drawn on his as well, or at the very least drawn my weapon and had it at the ready.

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    astraflyr wrote:
    Drawing the weapon on verbal threats. Hmmm. Glad it all worked out okay in theend.
    He could easily say that he feared imminent death or serious injury. He was also faced with a disparity of force. Combined, he had sufficient justification for using lethal force (or the threat thereof).

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    astraflyr wrote:
    Drawing the weapon on verbal threats. Hmmm. Glad it all worked out okay in theend.
    Since they aren't quoted, we don't know what the verbal threats were, but I think we can safely speculate that the thugs did not threaten to follow him home and stomp on his daffodils or kick over his garden gnome.
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    http://www.kxl.com/Assault-Recounted...lusive/6770970

    According to the apparent victim's account here, he also has smoke blown in his face and was spit in the face.

    The person who was arrested was also released.
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    3 against one is easily lethal force unless he was 7 foot tall versus athree 10 year olds.... He was clearlyjustified in pulling his firearm.

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    Ok, good responses. Now I do have to laugh about the headline of "warning shot". While passing out I do not think I would be able to doanything other than just pull the trigger in the hopes of the noise scaring off the assailant. Aiming would be a bonus. Plus I don't think walking the dog after midnight is the safest behavior, but to each his own.

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