Bader
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By U.S. Law, who may be armed while inside the chambers of a Federal Supreme Court?
By U.S. Law, who may be armed while inside the chambers of a Federal Supreme Court?
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Question about who can be armed in a Federal Court
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Aaron1124
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The U.S. Marshals and whoever else has a badge that is serving official purposes at the court.
The U.S. Marshals and whoever else has a badge that is serving official purposes at the court.
Master Doug Huffman
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Bader wrote:
Bader wrote:
Well, first, before we can cite some law, we must know just what jurisdiction you mean. There is only one "Federal Supreme Court" but it is known more usually as The Supreme Court of the United States or SCOTUS.
Bader
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Master Doug Huffman wrote:
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
That's what I meant. Is there any way a citizen would be justified in carrying in there?
Aaron1124
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Bader wrote:
§930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection
(d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
Bader wrote:
I remember reading the US Code
§930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection
(d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.
Master Doug Huffman
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It looks like it is covered.
I was looking for SCOTUS Rules microscopic to it.
I have an acquaintance that was DC solicitor admitted to SCOTUS bar that has mentioned carrying in conjunction with his job but I don't and didn't recall whether he was armed in chambers or not.
It looks like it is covered.
I was looking for SCOTUS Rules microscopic to it.
I have an acquaintance that was DC solicitor admitted to SCOTUS bar that has mentioned carrying in conjunction with his job but I don't and didn't recall whether he was armed in chambers or not.
Aaron1124
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US Marshals are the Law Enforcement Agency present at the United States Supreme Court, correct?
US Marshals are the Law Enforcement Agency present at the United States Supreme Court, correct?
Master Doug Huffman
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If that is addressed to me, I have no idea. I scanned the USMS Wiki page and didn't see anything. The word "supreme" does not occur there.
I did notice that their senior pay grade is the same as mine was.
I don't think that their selection is rigorous enough.
If that is addressed to me, I have no idea. I scanned the USMS Wiki page and didn't see anything. The word "supreme" does not occur there.
I did notice that their senior pay grade is the same as mine was.
I don't think that their selection is rigorous enough.
Aaron1124
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From what I've read so far, it sounds like a combination of the U.S. Marshals and the U.S. Supreme Court Police
From what I've read so far, it sounds like a combination of the U.S. Marshals and the U.S. Supreme Court Police
Master Doug Huffman
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The OP was "who may be armed?" Making inclusive lists seems to exclude Justices and other Officers of the Court.
The OP was "who may be armed?" Making inclusive lists seems to exclude Justices and other Officers of the Court.
eye95
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"Incident to hunting"??? Who would they be hunting? Lawyers? Isn't that illegal?
Aaron1124
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eye95 wrote:
Out of curiosity, are Justices of the U.S. Supreme able to be armed? Or only commissioned law enforcement?
eye95 wrote:
LOL I wondered that, too... interesting.
Out of curiosity, are Justices of the U.S. Supreme able to be armed? Or only commissioned law enforcement?
marshaul
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eye95 wrote:
eye95 wrote:
Somehow I don't think the Supreme Court was the "Federal facility" they had in mind when they were thinking of plausible hunting exemptions. :lol:
marshaul
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Master Doug Huffman wrote:
Master Doug Huffman wrote:
Interesting phraseology. As always.
NightOwl
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eye95 wrote:
eye95 wrote:
It's not a question of is it illegal, but rather...should it be?
Master Doug Huffman
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It is vastly better to live under a rule of law, that you may not like, than under the rule of men, tyrants that you don't like.
It is vastly better to live under a rule of law, that you may not like, than under the rule of men, tyrants that you don't like.
Aaron1124
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I suppose the OP could also go to the US Supreme Court while OCing and see find out first hand which Federal Agent protects the building.
I suppose the OP could also go to the US Supreme Court while OCing and see find out first hand which Federal Agent protects the building.
Citizen
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Bader wrote:
Bader wrote:
How would you even get there? DC is one big GunFreeZone despite Heller.
9MM Owner
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NightOwl wrote:
NightOwl wrote:
When and who said: 'First thing we do is kill all the lawyers" (If I'm correct). Sounds like a good reason for self defense in a court room or the Federal Supreme Court.