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    Just wondering if anyone was going to this gun show and also if I can OC/CC there

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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    Just wondering if anyone was going to this gun show and also if I can OC/CC there

    Michigan Gun & Knife Shows do not allow loaded OC or CC by the mere citizenry. I don't think there's even an exception for venders, but I'm may be wrong on that one.


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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    Just wondering if anyone was going to this gun show and also if I can OC/CC there
    My guess, and that is all this is. I would say that if it is truly a county fair grounds, it would fall under the Public arena and would be as the same as a park. OC and CC would be allowed.

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    So people who are coming to potentially spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars are not allowed any form of carry?

    This might be one of the most asinine things I have ever heard

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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    So people who are coming to potentially spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars are not allowed any form of carry?

    This might be one of the most asinine things I have ever heard
    You will be allowed to OC or CC, but you will not be allowed to have your firearm loaded--They will ziptie the firearm and ask for for any loaded mags on your person.

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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    So people who are coming to potentially spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars are not allowed any form of carry?

    This might be one of the most asinine things I have ever heard
    NO NO your looking at it wrong, People are coming to spend Money on things that are mostly for self defense, and are not allowed to Defend them selves while there.

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    haha oh I see, well it completely makes sense to me now

    now I am thinking I might bail, don't have the money to spend anyway

    until I have a job for the summer I am on a strict budget

    man, paying my way through school is really hindering my firearms collection

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    CrossPistols wrote:
    TylerJ87 wrote:
    So people who are coming to potentially spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars are not allowed any form of carry?

    This might be one of the most asinine things I have ever heard
    NO NO your looking at it wrong, People are coming to spend Money on things that are mostly for self defense, and are not allowed to Defend them selves while there.


    Funny in a way, when you think of all the firearms carried or on display in the building that are not allowed to be loaded while at the same time there will be a semi trailer load of ammo at your disposal throughout most of the building.

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    I just don't see the need to disarm law abiding citizens ... are they worried about someone coming in and trying to rob or shoot up the place ... who would be stupid enough to do that

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    Reality dictates that Liability insurance is probably high as it is, so to cut the cost they don't allow customers to be armed with loaded firearms., but as you said who would be stupid? well it is more of a question of "bad guys don't follow the rules, so their still going to rob if they feel they can get away with it. To be honest it is a perfect scenario for robbing and getting away with it, because hardly anyone would be able to defend against it. like in a church, or school. These are easy targets.

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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    I just don't see the need to disarm law abiding citizens ... are they worried about someone coming in and trying to rob or shoot up the place ... who would be stupid enough to do that
    As CrossPistols stated, it's an insurance thing. The consensus across many gun boards reflects this. As you previously mentioned, it is an asinine thing. Over the years, there have been ND's at gun shows over the years, however, what the fear mongers don't take into consideration is the number of gun shows held each year and the number of patrons attending the shows. So, what would be the ratio of ND's compared to hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of patrons each year attending the shows across the US?

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    that is a shame ... it would be interesting to see the statistics regarding ND's at gun shows



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    TylerJ87 wrote:
    that is a shame ... it would be interesting to see the statistics regarding ND's at gun shows

    Keep in mind that not all ND's were committed by patrons, some involved vendors and off-duty LEO's working security.

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    For example...there are many.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2194219/posts :quirky

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    that ND just happened to be at a gun show, but could have been anywhere. if we could find an example of someone pulling out a gun to show it to someone and it going off, that would be more relevant.
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    smellslikemichigan wrote:
    that ND just happened to be at a gun show, but could have been anywhere. if we could find an example of someone pulling out a gun to show it to someone and it going off, that would be more relevant.
    That's what this thread is about; Permissible OC or CC at gun shows and the reason why they prohibit loaded carry by patrons. As I mentioned previously, the insurance issues at gun shows are due to all the ND's the fear mongers claim to exist. I just wanted Tyler to understand, and others here,that not all ND's at gun shows were committed by patrons.

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    gotcha
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    smellslikemichigan wrote:
    that ND just happened to be at a gun show, but could have been anywhere. if we could find an example of someone pulling out a gun to show it to someone and it going off, that would be more relevant.
    Off the top of my head, the only example I can thank of right now is the recent ND by the dipstick at the Arizona Wally World. However, I'm not sure if he really was showing-off the pistol or not.

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    the description of his behavior almost makes it sound like he was drunk, or high, or maybe just plain stupid. unfortunately, as OC/CC becomes more prevalent, i'm sure there will be more stories like this. it's just the law of averages. no different than the fact that the more cars that are driven, the more accidents there will be.
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    Sad but true, unfortunately.

    Here's the vid of the dipstick's ND at Wally World, I borrowed it from the Wisconsin folks.

    http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news...harge-4-9-2010

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    What a dipstick!!!
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