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Dang, I got throwed out of the Bristol VA Mall for OC

Resqu2

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So I had been at the Bristol Mall in Bristol, VA for about an hour, the final stop was at Belks. Was standing beside the wife looking at clothing when I noticed an older security guard making a bee line for me. He approached and told me guns were not allowed in the mall and I needed to take it to the car.

I said no problem, but I didn't see any signs. he told me all doors were posted so I ask him to escort me to the door, we get outside and guess what? NO SIGNS
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I looked at him with a questioning look and he said the main door is posted. I told him I use several doors and never seen a sign. Told him sorry and that I wouldn't be back. I took a walk around to the one main door and there is a small sign way off to the side of the Mall entrance that has several "rules" one being no guns.

At one point he did ask if I was a cop and I just told him that I could not discuss who I was with him but I would be speaking with Mgmt about better signs. I have been here multiple times with no problems until today.
 

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People, please don't ask for places to be posted. Just leave and talk to management about allowing firearms. Asking places to be posted really screws over people that HAVE to go somewhere and just CC to places such as this.
 

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Second GULCer.

The lack of posted signs is something one uses IF one is charged with a crime or misdemeanor for carrying in a place and needs to defend oneself. I would expect that to be VERY rare in Virginia. That is, you might be asked to leave a place, but I seriously doubt a police officer would actually charge you with a crime if you left when asked. Mall security certainly isn't going to write you a summons.

Asking that signs be posted to make it "easier" for law-abiding gun owners is asking for all doors to be prominently posted. That is not a result we want.
 

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ed wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
I would be speaking with Mgmt about better signs.
no,no,no

:banghead:


The way I see it, is if they are anti gun then I want to know it soI can spend my money at a place that isn't. I don't like looking like I'm breaking their rules on purpose, I look for signs and will leave if a place is posted. Too many choices of other places to spend my money at.
 

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:banghead:

Don't you get it? Sure, YOU might not care if you can't CC into a location after they post it but EVERYONE else does care. It is being selfish to only care about what YOU want with regards to these issues.
 

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GULCer wrote:
:banghead:

Don't you get it? Sure, YOU might not care if you can't CC into a location after they post it but EVERYONE else does care. It is being selfish to only care about what YOU want with regards to these issues.
Wellllllll......Not exactly everyone.
 

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Resqu2 wrote:
ed wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
I would be speaking with Mgmt about better signs.
no,no,no

:banghead:


The way I see it, is if they are anti gun then I want to know it soI can spend my money at a place that isn't. I don't like looking like I'm breaking their rules on purpose, I look for signs and will leave if a place is posted. Too many choices of other places to spend my money at.
But you already know about this place.

Do you need a sign to remind you again? What purpose could it possibly serve now?
 

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GULCer wrote:
peter nap wrote:
Wellllllll......Not exactly everyone.

OK, everyone that has a permit (or is going to be getting a permit after July 1 because they no longer have the excuse they've been using all these years)...
That's a little better.
The "Don't push the sign" is reasonable and I generally follow it, but it is really only for the benefit for CC'ers.

I fully understand what Resqu2 is saying. I'd rather know where I'm unwelcome before I go there.
 

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Glock27Bill wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
ed wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
I would be speaking with Mgmt about better signs.
no,no,no

:banghead:


The way I see it, is if they are anti gun then I want to know it soI can spend my money at a place that isn't. I don't like looking like I'm breaking their rules on purpose, I look for signs and will leave if a place is posted. Too many choices of other places to spend my money at.
But you already know about this place.

Do you need a sign to remind you again? What purpose could it possibly serve now?
I'm not contacting anyone and I'm not going back. but I stand by my commet about not knowing where we are not wanted. It also doesn't look good on gun owners when it looks like we are ignoring the wishes of property owners.
 

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Resqu2 wrote:
Glock27Bill wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
ed wrote:
Resqu2 wrote:
I would be speaking with Mgmt about better signs.
no,no,no

:banghead:


The way I see it, is if they are anti gun then I want to know it soI can spend my money at a place that isn't. I don't like looking like I'm breaking their rules on purpose, I look for signs and will leave if a place is posted. Too many choices of other places to spend my money at.
But you already know about this place.

Do you need a sign to remind you again? What purpose could it possibly serve now?
I'm not contacting anyone and I'm not going back. but I stand by my commet about not knowing where we are not wanted. It also doesn't look good on gun owners when it looks like we are ignoring the wishes of property owners.
I hear ya.

It can be embarrassing, and we are all law-abiding folks who do not need to be called out in public.

The flip side is that some like to cc, and if places are not well-marked, then that facilitates things for us.

And once we've been called out, adding signs ain't gonna help us. We just don't go back (as you've decided).
 

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Another point is this..

First.. it is my opinion that every gun owner in Virginia should be a paying member ($25.00) per yer of the VCDL (Virginia Citizen's Defense League). You can even join online at VCDL.ORG and you can recoup your $25.00 annual fee if you use these discounts: http://www.vcdl.org/static/discounts.html

Many reasons that the gun laws we have (and DON'T have) is because of the organization and planning of the VCDL. I don't maybe agree with them 100% of the time.. but I do about 95% and many here do too.

This is from their web page: http://www.vcdl.org/static/gue.html

- - -

We have a "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL POLICY." NEVER ask if it is OK or for permission to carry anywhere. Don't make an issue of the fact you are carrying. Don't cause problems for future patrons, or even for yourself. The point is, you want to have your defensive tool with you. No one needs to know. Don't make a big deal out of it. Try to be low key.

KNOW THE LAW IF YOU ARE GOING TO CARRY OPENLY. PLEASE, don't cause problems that you will then expect others, or us to correct. Download and carry the following letters so you can backup your position that open carry is legal, and open carry is the only way to legally carry in a restaurant or club with a license to sell alcohol for consumption on the premises.

[url]http://www.vcdl.org/letters/ABC_Letter.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.vcdl.org/letters/VASP_OPEN.pdf[/url]

Finally, if some restaurant employee still wants you to put your gun in your car after getting the letters, VERY POLITELY explain that it is unsafe to leave the gun unattended in the car, especially since a criminal could now see you putting it into your car and steal it. Explain that you don't feel comfortable doing that, so they are FORCING you to leave. If that is the case, give your server a few dollars tip, unless they are the person telling you to leave. If they decide to allow you to finish your meal, be sure to tip handsomely.

In other words; please don't give your hard earned money to a restaurant that is going to disarm you!
 

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ed wrote:
Another point is this..

First.. it is my opinion that every gun owner in Virginia should be a paying member ($25.00) per yer of the VCDL (Virginia Citizen's Defense League). You can even join online at VCDL.ORG and you can recoup your $25.00 annual fee if you use these discounts: http://www.vcdl.org/static/discounts.html

Many reasons that the gun laws we have (and DON'T have) is because of the organization and planning of the VCDL. I don't maybe agree with them 100% of the time.. but I do about 95% and many here do too.

This is from their web page: http://www.vcdl.org/static/gue.html

- - -

We have a "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL POLICY." NEVER ask if it is OK or for permission to carry anywhere. Don't make an issue of the fact you are carrying. Don't cause problems for future patrons, or even for yourself. The point is, you want to have your defensive tool with you. No one needs to know. Don't make a big deal out of it. Try to be low key.

KNOW THE LAW IF YOU ARE GOING TO CARRY OPENLY. PLEASE, don't cause problems that you will then expect others, or us to correct. Download and carry the following letters so you can backup your position that open carry is legal, and open carry is the only way to legally carry in a restaurant or club with a license to sell alcohol for consumption on the premises.

[url]http://www.vcdl.org/letters/ABC_Letter.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.vcdl.org/letters/VASP_OPEN.pdf[/url]

Finally, if some restaurant employee still wants you to put your gun in your car after getting the letters, VERY POLITELY explain that it is unsafe to leave the gun unattended in the car, especially since a criminal could now see you putting it into your car and steal it. Explain that you don't feel comfortable doing that, so they are FORCING you to leave. If that is the case, give your server a few dollars tip, unless they are the person telling you to leave. If they decide to allow you to finish your meal, be sure to tip handsomely.

In other words; please don't give your hard earned money to a restaurant that is going to disarm you!
Ed has a good point.
Depending on the year, I may agree to 95%, this year it's only ticking about 65%...but it's still the best organization out there.

The caveat VCDL put up really pertains to courtesy for fellow gunowners. That line gets strained at times but hopefully most of us will continue to respect the needs of ALL gun owners and not one particular niche or style of carry.

In other words, bend a little.
 

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zoom6zoom wrote:
Anyone EVER see a mall that's OC friendly?




Nah, me neither.
The last I knew, Spotsylvania Town Center's sign and policy was "no illegal guns". Reports are that they will ask you to leave if you are seen OC, but the sign would seem to legally permit CC if you are permitted.

That's one of the best I've seen, other than no policy at all.

TFred
 

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I prefer not going to malls any way. Over priced, and many over crowded, the only thing worse than road rage is mall rage.
 
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