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    It was bound to happen at some point. I was helping a friend with some errands yesterday ( he cant drive, no DL), and had my unit with me. on the second stop, we were at the local Copp's store in appleton and I went in armed and didn't make more than 30 sec. inside when a "concerned" citizen pointed me out to a management type who proceeded to stop me. I was informed that copps has a no firearms policy, which I, If I remember right, doesn't exsist. I did try to bring up the fact that I was being legal, was within my rights to do so and such, but kept getting the "it's policy".

    I did take my sidearm back to the car, so as to not be a dork about it, but did go back to talk to employee/ management type to get info about who to talk to about the Roundy's stance on guns, the 2nd amend. and such.

    So, anyone know if Round's et.al has a policy? I thought I'd read somewhere on here that they didn't. Or, if theres a certain someone to call or write to, to get this straitened out and/or complain to?

    Thanks for any info anybody might have...



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    Here is their "Contact Us form"


    https://secure.copps.com/ContactUs/ContactUs_S.las

    We also need to know which store, street address, store number. If you have the name of the person you talked with that would be most helpful as well.

    If you can also PM you full name and address so I can include it with the complaint letter that would be best.



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    I can get that later today....
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    Wisconsin democrats are a tough bunch, and you know what they say-- "when the going gets tough...."

    A "No Guns" sign protects me as much as a speed limit sign keeps people from speeding.

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    As you point out, Copps Food Center was acquired by Roundy's Supermarkets, Inc.
    http://www.roundys.com/modules/content/index.php?id=75

    Roundy's result is here:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/28201-9.html

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    Although this hasnt happened to me yet, I always figured that if a staff member said that to me I would ask "are you the store manager?". If the response was no, I would at that point state "then I would like to see the store manager now so there is no mistake on what actual store policy is". Dont know if that would be the best way to handle it, but I read several times here that once the "manager" was contacted it was suddenly disclosed that store policy is to "comply with state law" and that the shelf stocker didnt have the authority to say anything.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    100% agreement here, ask to speak with the store manager. Confirm name and contact information. If possible, ask the manager to verify the "corporate" policy with the corporate office while you wait. Request corporate office contact information as well.

    BUT: Always be polite and if they really want you out, then leave.


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    And don't spend your money there! Leave the cart where it sits and go spend your money where they support your rights. Walk out and let them put the grocerys back where they belong.

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    The manager is uninformed. Roundy's does not prohibit open carry. Politely make contact with the manager and share the letter that our fellow ocdo member obtained from Roundy's.

    One time in a pick-and-save store a manager told me that "I'm sure you have a permit for that, but can you just leave it in your car next time"

    I replied very politely: "I know with absolute certainty that Therese Bailey from Roundy's corporate has confirmed to one of our members in an email that in accordance with state law open-carry in a Roundy's store is allowed"

    His reply was a very cordial "Ok, sorry, I hadn't heard about it" and I continued shopping armed and do so to this day in that store.

    Keep in mind that their continued supportive policy could change if they have a less than positive experience with an open-carrier. Like it or not, we are all ambassadors of the movement every time we go in public.
    www.wisconsincarry.org Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is not affiliated with opencarry.org or these web forums. Questions about discussion forum policy or forum moderation should be directed to the owners of opencarry.org not Wisconsin Carry, Inc.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    100% agreement here, ask to speak with the store manager. Confirm name and contact information. If possible, ask the manager to verify the "corporate" policy with the corporate office while you wait. Request corporate office contact information as well.

    BUT: Always be polite and if they really want you out, then leave.
    Big yuppers there. Dont want a tresspassing charge.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    Brad_Krause wrote: [quote]As you point out, Copps Food Center was acquired by Roundy's Supermarkets, Inc.
    comp45acp wrote: [/b]
    After playing answering machine tag with Therese Bailey for a few days she called me back today. She reiterated the following email that many of us got from her back in July:

    Dear Mr. Burgess,

    I am writing in response to your concern submitted to us on July 7, 2009. Roundy’s abides by all laws. Our long standing practice has been that if a store director receives a complaint or encounters a situation that he or she feels uncomfortable addressing directly with a customer, the store director is to defer to the expertise of the police to assess and handle the situation. If you choose to enter our stores openly carrying a weapon, please be aware that certain of our customers, as well as certain of our employees, may feel uneasy.

    Thank you for your inquiry and patronage of Roundy’s Supermarkets.

    Therese Bailey
    Manager, Customer Relations


    Roundy's Supermarkets, Inc., MS-2760
    P.O. Box 473, Milwaukee, WI 53201-0473
    Ph: 414-231-5954 Fax: 248-287-5509
    Email: therese.bailey@roundys.com

    The good news is she clearly said that if open carry is legal in Wisconsin it is OK in their stores but to please be aware that it may alarm some people. I assured her that I (we) are very aware of that and that everyone I know that carries works hard to not alarm anyone as that is certainly not our intention. She said she will contact all store managers once again to make sure they understand that Roundy's recognizes open carry as a legal activity. It will be good to get back to shopping at Pick'n Save as we have always liked their product selection. Thanks to all who wrote emails, letters and called Roundy's Corporate-all of our efforts no doubt had an impact on Roundy's position.

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    More of a general question but related to this. If the manager asks you to leave and you don't and then the cops are called. is it trespassing when they show up or do they (the cops) have to tell you to leave 1st?

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    Wisconsin presumes trespass notice. I'll start my search engine and make the citation in a bit.

    That means that citizens in Wisconsin are expected to know that they are not welcome on private property without invitation.

    Wisconsin Statutes Chapter 943, Crimes Against Property, Subchapter II, Trespass,
    §943.13 Trespass to land. §943.14 Criminal trespass to dwellings

    943.13 Trespass to land.
    (1e) In this section:
    (a) “Dwelling unit” means a structure or that part of a structure
    which is used or intended to be used as a home, residence or sleeping
    place by one person or by 2 or more persons maintaining a
    common household, to the exclusion of all others.
    (az) “Implied consent” means conduct or words or both that
    imply that an owner or occupant of land has given consent to
    another person to enter the land.
    (b) “Inholding” means a parcel of land that is private property
    and that is surrounded completely by land owned by the United
    States, by this state or by a local governmental unit or any combination
    of the United States, this state and a local governmental
    unit.
    (c) “Local governmental unit” means a political subdivision of
    this state, a special purpose district in this state, an instrumentality
    or corporation of the political subdivision or special purpose district
    or a combination or subunit of any of the foregoing.
    (d) “Place of employment” has the meaning given in s. 101.01
    (11).
    (e) “Private property” means real property that is not owned
    by the United States, this state or a local governmental unit.
    (f) “Open land” means land that meets all of the following criteria:
    1. The land is not occupied by a structure or improvement
    being used or occupied as a dwelling unit.
    2. The land is not part of the curtilage, or is not lying in the
    immediate vicinity, of a structure or improvement being used or
    occupied as a dwelling unit.
    3. The land is not occupied by a public building.
    4. The land is not occupied by a place of employment.

    (1m) Whoever does any of the following is subject to a Class
    B forfeiture:

    (a) Enters any enclosed, cultivated or undeveloped land of
    another, other than open land specified in par. (e) or (f), without
    the express or implied consent of the owner or occupant.
    (am) Enters any land of another that is occupied by a structure
    used for agricultural purposes without the express or implied consent
    of the owner or occupant.
    (b) Enters or remains on any land of another after having been
    notified by the owner or occupant not to enter or remain on the
    premises.
    (e) Enters or remains on open land that is an inholding of
    another after having been notified by the owner or occupant not
    to enter or remain on the land.
    (f) Enters undeveloped private land from an abutting parcel of
    land that is owned by the United States, this state or a local governmental
    unit, or remains on such land, after having been notified by
    the owner or occupant not to enter or remain on the land.

    (1s) In determining whether a person has implied consent to
    enter the land of another a trier of fact shall consider all of the circumstances
    existing at the time the person entered the land,
    including all of the following:
    (a) Whether the owner or occupant acquiesced to previous
    entries by the person or by other persons under similar circumstances.
    (b) The customary use, if any, of the land by other persons.
    (c) Whether the owner or occupant represented to the public
    that the land may be entered for particular purposes.
    (d) The general arrangement or design of any improvements
    or structures on the land.

    (2) A person has received notice from the owner or occupant
    within the meaning of sub. (1m) (b), (e) or (f) if he or she has been
    notified personally, either orally or in writing, or if the land is
    posted. Land is considered to be posted under this subsection
    under either of the following procedures:
    (a) If a sign at least 11 inches square is placed in at least 2 conspicuous
    places for every 40 acres to be protected. The sign must
    carry an appropriate notice and the name of the person giving the
    notice followed by the word “owner” if the person giving the
    notice is the holder of legal title to the land and by the word “occupant”
    if the person giving the notice is not the holder of legal title
    but is a lawful occupant of the land. Proof that appropriate signs
    as provided in this paragraph were erected or in existence upon the
    premises to be protected prior to the event complained of shall be
    prima facie proof that the premises to be protected were posted as
    provided in this paragraph.
    (b) If markings at least one foot long, including in a contrasting
    color the phrase “private land” and the name of the owner, are
    made in at least 2 conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected.

    (3) Whoever erects on the land of another signs which are the
    same as or similar to those described in sub. (2) without obtaining
    the express consent of the lawful occupant of or holder of legal
    title to such land is subject to a Class C forfeiture.

    (3m) An owner or occupant may give express consent to enter
    or remain on the land for a specified purpose or subject to specified
    conditions and it is a violation of sub. (1m) (a) or (am) for a
    person who received that consent to enter or remain on the land
    for another purpose or contrary to the specified conditions.

    (4) Nothing in this section shall prohibit a representative of a
    labor union from conferring with any employee provided such
    conference is conducted in the living quarters of the employee and
    with the consent of the employee occupants.

    (4m) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    (a) A person entering the land, other than the residence or other
    buildings or the curtilage of the residence or other buildings, of
    another for the purpose of removing a wild animal as authorized
    under s. 29.885 (2), (3) or (4).
    (b) A hunter entering land that is required to be open for hunting
    under s. 29.885 (4m) or 29.889 (7m).
    (c) A person entering or remaining on any exposed shore area
    of a stream as authorized under s. 30.134.

    (5) Any authorized occupant of employer−provided housing
    shall have the right to decide who may enter, confer and visit with
    the occupant in the housing area the occupant occupies.
    History: 1971 c. 317; 1977 c. 173, 295; 1979 c. 32; 1983 a. 418; 1987 a. 27; 1989
    a. 31; 1993 a. 342, 486; 1995 a. 45, 451; 1997 a. 248; 1999 a. 9; 2003 a. 33.

    The arrest of abortion protesters trespassing at a clinic did not violate their free
    speech rights. State v. Horn, 139 Wis. 2d 473, 407 N.W.2d 854 (1987).

    Administrative code provisions requiring hunters to make reasonable efforts to
    retrieve game birds killed or injured do not exempt a person from criminal prosecution
    under sub. (1) (b) [now sub. (1m) (b)] for trespassing upon posted lands to
    retrieve birds shot from outside the posted area. 64 Atty. Gen. 204.

    943.14 Criminal trespass to dwellings.
    Whoever intentionally
    enters the dwelling of another without the consent of
    some person lawfully upon the premises, under circumstances
    tending to create or provoke a breach of the peace, is guilty of a
    Class A misdemeanor.

    History: 1977 c. 173.

    Criminal trespass to a dwelling is not a lesser included offense of burglary. Raymond
    v. State, 55 Wis. 2d 482, 198 N.W.2d 351 (1972).

    Regardless of any ownership rights in the property, if a person enters a dwelling
    that is another’s residence, without consent, this section is violated. State v. Carls,
    186 Wis. 2d 533, 521 N.W.2d 181 (Ct. App. 1994).
    Entering an outbuilding accessory to a main house may be a violation. 62 Atty.
    Gen. 16.

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    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman wrote:
    The manager is uninformed. Roundy's does not prohibit open carry. Politely make contact with the manager and share the letter that our fellow ocdo member obtained from Roundy's.

    One time in a pick-and-save store a manager told me that "I'm sure you have a permit for that, but can you just leave it in your car next time"

    I replied very politely: "I know with absolute certainty that Therese Bailey from Roundy's corporate has confirmed to one of our members in an email that in accordance with state law open-carry in a Roundy's store is allowed"

    His reply was a very cordial "Ok, sorry, I hadn't heard about it" and I continued shopping armed and do so to this day in that store.

    Keep in mind that their continued supportive policy could change if they have a less than positive experience with an open-carrier. Like it or not, we are all ambassadors of the movement every time we go in public.
    Nik is 100% right. When I was asked to leave the Pick N Save in Watertown last July I called and spoke with the Customer Service Director at Roundys several times. The issue was presented to the Roundys board of directors. She issued a memo to all store directors stating that Roundys follows all state laws in each state that it does business. This guy apparently didn't get the memo or is ignoring it. Report him to Roundys.
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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    Wisconsin presumes trespass notice.* I'll start my search engine and make the citation in a bit.

    That means that citizens in Wisconsin are expected to know that they are not welcome on private property without invitation.

    Wisconsin Statutes Chapter 943, Crimes Against Property, Subchapter II, Trespass,
    §943.13 Trespass to land. §943.14 Criminal trespass to dwellings

    943.13 Trespass to land.
    (1e) In this section:
    (a) “Dwelling unit” means a structure or that part of a structure
    which is used or intended to be used as a home, residence or sleeping
    place by one person or by 2 or more persons maintaining a
    common household, to the exclusion of all others.
    (az) “Implied consent” means conduct or words or both that
    imply that an owner or occupant of land has given consent to
    another person to enter the land.
    (b) “Inholding” means a parcel of land that is private property
    and that is surrounded completely by land owned by the United
    States, by this state or by a local governmental unit or any combination
    of the United States, this state and a local governmental
    unit.
    (c) “Local governmental unit” means a political subdivision of
    this state, a special purpose district in this state, an instrumentality
    or corporation of the political subdivision or special purpose district
    or a combination or subunit of any of the foregoing.
    (d) “Place of employment” has the meaning given in s. 101.01
    (11).
    (e) “Private property” means real property that is not owned
    by the United States, this state or a local governmental unit.
    (f) “Open land” means land that meets all of the following criteria:
    1. The land is not occupied by a structure or improvement
    being used or occupied as a dwelling unit.
    2. The land is not part of the curtilage, or is not lying in the
    immediate vicinity, of a structure or improvement being used or
    occupied as a dwelling unit.
    3. The land is not occupied by a public building.
    4. The land is not occupied by a place of employment.

    (1m) Whoever does any of the following is subject to a Class
    B forfeiture:

    (a) Enters any enclosed, cultivated or undeveloped land of
    another, other than open land specified in par. (e) or (f), without
    the express or implied consent of the owner or occupant.
    (am) Enters any land of another that is occupied by a structure
    used for agricultural purposes without the express or implied consent
    of the owner or occupant.
    (b) Enters or remains on any land of another after having been
    notified by the owner or occupant not to enter or remain on the
    premises.
    (e) Enters or remains on open land that is an inholding of
    another after having been notified by the owner or occupant not
    to enter or remain on the land.
    (f) Enters undeveloped private land from an abutting parcel of
    land that is owned by the United States, this state or a local governmental
    unit, or remains on such land, after having been notified by
    the owner or occupant not to enter or remain on the land.

    (1s) In determining whether a person has implied consent to
    enter the land of another a trier of fact shall consider all of the circumstances
    existing at the time the person entered the land,
    including all of the following:
    (a) Whether the owner or occupant acquiesced to previous
    entries by the person or by other persons under similar circumstances.
    (b) The customary use, if any, of the land by other persons.
    (c) Whether the owner or occupant represented to the public
    that the land may be entered for particular purposes.
    (d) The general arrangement or design of any improvements
    or structures on the land.

    (2) A person has received notice from the owner or occupant
    within the meaning of sub. (1m) (b), (e) or (f) if he or she has been
    notified personally, either orally or in writing, or if the land is
    posted. Land is considered to be posted under this subsection
    under either of the following procedures:
    (a) If a sign at least 11 inches square is placed in at least 2 conspicuous
    places for every 40 acres to be protected. The sign must
    carry an appropriate notice and the name of the person giving the
    notice followed by the word “owner” if the person giving the
    notice is the holder of legal title to the land and by the word “occupant”
    if the person giving the notice is not the holder of legal title
    but is a lawful occupant of the land. Proof that appropriate signs
    as provided in this paragraph were erected or in existence upon the
    premises to be protected prior to the event complained of shall be
    prima facie proof that the premises to be protected were posted as
    provided in this paragraph.
    (b) If markings at least one foot long, including in a contrasting
    color the phrase “private land” and the name of the owner, are
    made in at least 2 conspicuous places for every 40 acres to be protected.

    (3) Whoever erects on the land of another signs which are the
    same as or similar to those described in sub. (2) without obtaining
    the express consent of the lawful occupant of or holder of legal
    title to such land is subject to a Class C forfeiture.

    (3m) An owner or occupant may give express consent to enter
    or remain on the land for a specified purpose or subject to specified
    conditions and it is a violation of sub. (1m) (a) or (am) for a
    person who received that consent to enter or remain on the land
    for another purpose or contrary to the specified conditions.

    (4) Nothing in this section shall prohibit a representative of a
    labor union from conferring with any employee provided such
    conference is conducted in the living quarters of the employee and
    with the consent of the employee occupants.

    (4m) This section does not apply to any of the following:
    (a) A person entering the land, other than the residence or other
    buildings or the curtilage of the residence or other buildings, of
    another for the purpose of removing a wild animal as authorized
    under s. 29.885 (2), (3) or (4).
    (b) A hunter entering land that is required to be open for hunting
    under s. 29.885 (4m) or 29.889 (7m).
    (c) A person entering or remaining on any exposed shore area
    of a stream as authorized under s. 30.134.

    (5) Any authorized occupant of employer−provided housing
    shall have the right to decide who may enter, confer and visit with
    the occupant in the housing area the occupant occupies.
    History: 1971 c. 317; 1977 c. 173, 295; 1979 c. 32; 1983 a. 418; 1987 a. 27; 1989
    a. 31; 1993 a. 342, 486; 1995 a. 45, 451; 1997 a. 248; 1999 a. 9; 2003 a. 33.

    The arrest of abortion protesters trespassing at a clinic did not violate their free
    speech rights. State v. Horn, 139 Wis. 2d 473, 407 N.W.2d 854 (1987).

    Administrative code provisions requiring hunters to make reasonable efforts to
    retrieve game birds killed or injured do not exempt a person from criminal prosecution
    under sub. (1) (b) [now sub. (1m) (b)] for trespassing upon posted lands to
    retrieve birds shot from outside the posted area. 64 Atty. Gen. 204.

    943.14 Criminal trespass to dwellings.
    Whoever intentionally
    enters the dwelling of another without the consent of
    some person lawfully upon the premises, under circumstances
    tending to create or provoke a breach of the peace, is guilty of a
    Class A misdemeanor.

    History: 1977 c. 173.

    Criminal trespass to a dwelling is not a lesser included offense of burglary. Raymond
    v. State, 55 Wis. 2d 482, 198 N.W.2d 351 (1972).

    Regardless of any ownership rights in the property, if a person enters a dwelling
    that is another’s residence, without consent, this section is violated. State v. Carls,
    186 Wis. 2d 533, 521 N.W.2d 181 (Ct. App. 1994).
    Entering an outbuilding accessory to a main house may be a violation. 62 Atty.
    Gen. 16.
    Thanks Doug. So to recap, any employee can ask me to leave and unless I start leaving, I can be charged with trespassing.

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    It is my company's policy that no employee save a few of the upper echelon can "expel" a customer. It us understood (without documentation :what that the only person that can really expel someone from the shop is the owner. The example used is even if a customer is abusive or physical we can not tell that customer to leave.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    I worked asmanagerin the Pink-in-Save in Watertown, Wi,back about 98-2000 or so and this is how we handled things. Yes, any employee can ask you to leave but only if the top manager on duty has that authority to bar anyone. We once had a secret shopper security and he was able to bar people for shoplifting, but only the top manager on duty has any real power. Now that manager may delegate that authority but at that point the lower ranking is speaking for the top manager. Yes, if asked, always ask for the top manager on duty and then ask for the manger above him/her.


    Plus, one manager may kick a customer out but unless you are well known the next manager my not even know who you are or even forget you were there the next time. We never called the police on anyone except shoplifters because it was a waste of time and bad publicity.
    Don't confuse me with the facts, I have my emotions!

    I guess that's the difference between no crime and "stopping" a crime in progress. I prefer no crime.

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    Finally got a response from Roundy's about this whole debacle.... I thought if I had a paper copy of their postition, It would save a whole lot of time and headaches.

    But, what I got e-mailed to me seemed a little "snitty" to me.... as in

    Dear Mr.-----------,
    We will not issueyoua letter thatyou can carry to the stores. We have already sent an e-mail outlining our position on the topic of carrying firearms in our stores. Ifyou need something in writing,you can print off the e-mail. Thank you for shopping at Copps.
    Thank you,
    thats it.... unsigned and everything. So, is the e-mail that's elsewhere in this thread the one she's referring to? and is there or can we make up a list of places that have already said that they will follow state law or are gun friendly?
    If I have to convince someone of my rightness, I'd like to have all "ammo" I need to be succcessful






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    A "No Guns" sign protects me as much as a speed limit sign keeps people from speeding.

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    An e-mail is pretty much like an oral assertion, hearsay except to the original recipient.

    We've discussed around this in the matter of oral permission to carry in licensed premises.

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    Deek wrote:
    Finally got a response from Roundy's about this whole debacle.... I thought if I had a paper copy of their postition, It would save a whole lot of time and headaches.

    But, what I got e-mailed to me seemed a little "snitty" to me.... as in

    Dear Mr.-----------,
    We will not issueyoua letter thatyou can carry to the stores. We have already sent an e-mail outlining our position on the topic of carrying firearms in our stores. Ifyou need something in writing,you can print off the e-mail. Thank you for shopping at Copps.
    Thank you,
    thats it.... unsigned and everything. So, is the e-mail that's elsewhere in this thread the one she's referring to? and is there or can we make up a list of places that have already said that they will follow state law or are gun friendly?
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    Read in between the lines, that Therese lady, is being A SNOB &amp; her letter also said, that if anyone is uneasy with you carrying in their stores, they will call the cops on your azz........screw Copps.
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    Actualy, I didn"t get the e-mail from Therse bailey.... I should of mentioned that, but from someone else named Christine Kovac. I'm all ok with not going to copps (kind of out of my way), but that would mean I wouldnt be able to go to Pick-n-Save(which I like) and be stuck with piggly wiggly or wally world. At least PnS hasn't told me to "take it elsewhere"....yet. Was planning on trying them out once this gets all straightened out
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    I haven't had any problems at Pick N Save or at Roundy's so far. I interact with the managers and employees all the time when I go shopping and they have definitely noticed my sidearm. Only thing i ever had happen was an assistant manager during normal conversation ask me what I did for a living since we were talking about computers. When I told her that I do computer repair work she made no mention of my firearm just that IT seems to be a great industry to work in and she wishes she could understand it. Granted I normally shop around 6-9 in the morning when it is pretty quiet in there and everybody ismore pleasantrather than being exhausted.

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    Deek wrote:
    Actualy, I didn"t get the e-mail from Therse bailey.... I should of mentioned that, but from someone else named Christine Kovac. I'm all ok with not going to copps (kind of out of my way), but that would mean I wouldnt be able to go to Pick-n-Save(which I like) and be stuck with piggly wiggly or wally world. At least PnS hasn't told me to "take it elsewhere"....yet. Was planning on trying them out once this gets all straightened out
    I would contact the Copp's store manager and tell him about the email posted above from Therese. Send him a copy of it if you like, that should clear up the situation.

    If it doesn't then I think a call into corporate about this store would be in order.

    In the past I called the owner of a PnS because he asked someone to leave the store saying they don't allow guns. I talked to him about their corporate policy, he said he didn't think they allowed firearms in the store, I said that I have an email from Therese Bailey about it, and that he should have received an email from corporate in the past... once that happened he changed his tune as I think that he realized that I was someone who wasn't talking out of their ass....

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    Now that open carry is gaining popularity and attention from the media, I wonder if the police in small town USA are arresting any oc people. During a recent interview with the police I was told that I have 2 options for protecting me and my family. Open carry and 911. I know that 911 isn't going to be quick enough. I also know I don't want to carry a handgun. I will however use deadly force to protect my family. I am going to attend the Open Carry Picnic in West Salem, WI and hopefully find some answers to my questions. The police told me to look at opencarry.org to find the answers I am looking for, but I need to talk to a human. Carrying handgun is no little thing.

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    WELCOME!

    There will be several people there willing to answer your questions. Looking forward to meeting face-to-face at the picnic.

    Remember, need not be armed to attend, and bring the whole family.



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    kd6sxa wrote:
    Now that open carry is gaining popularity and attention from the media, I wonder if the police in small town USA are arresting any oc people. During a recent interview with the police I was told that I have 2 options for protecting me and my family. Open carry and 911. I know that 911 isn't going to be quick enough. I also know I don't want to carry a handgun. I will however use deadly force to protect my family. I am going to attend the Open Carry Picnic in West Salem, WI and hopefully find some answers to my questions. The police told me to look at opencarry.org to find the answers I am looking for, but I need to talk to a human. Carrying handgun is no little thing.
    Welcome to the forum!!!! Great to hear your police department is recognizing &amp; recommending open carry to citizens, and for having them send you someplace to gain more information.



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