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    A friend of mine said that cops pull you over differently based on your concealed carry status. He said that the cops were pulling him over for minor reasons with their guns drawn because they had him on a list of concealed carry people. I thought that they were not legally allowed in Denver to keep the list? Is that a State law, City law, Federal law, or what?

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    As far as I know, and I am not an expert on the subject, but they don't have a list of concealed weapons permit holders. However, the one thing that comes to mind here is if he was pulled over and informed the officers he was armed they may have marked it on his DMV info. Nevertheless, if they are doing this then he needs to file a complaint with the police department that stops him.

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    I believe that some, not all county sheriff's put their list of CHP holders on some sort of "person of interest" list that is somehow matched with DMV or something
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    Yes, most sheriffs do put their list of CCW holders in the CCIC under a "person of interest" entry. This information from RMGO is dated, but you get the idea: http://www.rmgo.org/ccwguide/CCIC.shtml. Notably absent back in 2007 were Douglas and El Paso counties.


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    I am also under the impression that I will be registered on a list that will pop up with my CHP status when my license plate number is ran. I also am sure my CHP status will pop up whenever my drivers license numbers are ran. I'm borderline sure that simply getting my name and running a check for warrants may bring up this information as well.

    Several people I personally know are not getting a CHP for this reason. They would rather not be "on a list" and just OC.

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    My understanding is that the "person of interest" entry is linked to your CO Driver's License number, not a plate. When they run a plate, they get a name and address for the registrant(s) of the vehicle but no more. Regardless, they'll get your DL# when they pull you over so that's when they get the CCW info if your sheriff gives it to them.

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    Here's for starters; mirroring Centsi's information.

    If I am issued a permit, who is my information shared with?
    Any information contained in your file is confidential and for law enforcement use only. The Open Record's Act does not apply to concealed permit holders. Although yourinformation is entered into astatewide database, this is nota criminal database, and the information simply states you are a valid concealed permit holder.

    http://www.co.jefferson.co.us/sherif...#shared%20info

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    Even being listed as a "person of interest" and then being drawn onstraight after being pulled overfor a "minor reason" sounds like a fish tale. Sounds more like the LEO had their hand resting on or near their weapon and the driver assumed the reason they were pulled over was for their CHP status. Or the "minor reason" was driving "only" 20 miles over the speed limit and they "only" cut off three people and it "only" took a mile for the driver to pull over.

    I'm having trouble picturing it.

    LEO runs a random license plate, vehicle displays as registered to X person with no warrants or criminal history but is listed as a "person of interest". Driver changes lanes without signaling. LEO pulls him over, draws his weapon and advances shouting:

    "Keep your hands where I can see them!! Don't move! Don't move!! Colorado law requires....DON'T MOVE.....Colorado law requires you to signal a lane change 100 feet beforehand!!! SLOWLY hand over your license and registration!! SLOWLY!!!"

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    123wer456wer789wer wrote:
    A friend of mine said that cops pull you over differently based on your concealed carry status. He said that the cops were pulling him over for minor reasons with their guns drawn because they had him on a list of concealed carry people. I thought that they were not legally allowed in Denver to keep the list? Is that a State law, City law, Federal law, or what?
    cops do lots of things that are illegal, so i wouldnt put it past them

    but, how does your friend know that he is being targeted because of his CCL?

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    Isn't there something in the CRS which specifically prohibits the CHP list from being distributed?
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    We hear about these special lists and being targeting constantly from law abiding citizens that have never done anything worng in their life except possibly purchased a gun or have a CCW/CPL/CWL....

    Cops do tend to target certain types of people more than other types. My mother was driving my brothers Z-28 Camaro with tinted wndows and the whole mess one day when she was pulled over. The LEO walked up to the car and she rolled the window down. She said all of a sudden his mouth dropped wide open and almost couldn't ask for her license.:what: He thought sure he had some teen-age boy and here was this little 70 year-old lady sitting behind the steering wheel. She said he finally got out all the words about drivers license, registration etc., checked them over,told her to slow down and sent her on her way without even a warning ticket. Now if it had been my brother I am sure that he would have gotten that ticket for doing 70 in a 55 zone. Yup, he would have been targeted because he was a teen age boy. Yup, people with permits get targeted when they are doing 20 MPH over the speed limit and when I hear most people complain about being targeted it's because of something totally different that what they think.

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    There's no way a cop running your plate knows you have a CCW in CO. There is no "person of interest" list based upon CCW. Othwise, 50% of El Paso County would be on it. And more importantly, anyone may have a loaded, concealed or OC'd handgun in his car anywhere in CO--including Denver. So what would be the purpose of any list?
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    http://www.rmgo.org/ccwguide/CCIC.shtml

    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2003-ccic.shtml

    Q: Is my name entered into any kind of database if I am a Concealed Handgun Permit holder in the State of Colorado?
    A: Yes. If you possess a Concealed Handgun Permit from the State of Colorado, your name and other identifying information will be entered into the CCIC (CBI computer system). It will be accessible only by law enforcement and cannot be shared with anyone outside of law enforcement (i.e., the general public or the media). This database is not used for compilation purposes (facts, figures or lists); it is similar to how a driver’s license is entered into a State of Colorado database and is necessary for use in law enforcement situations.

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    cscitney87 wrote:
    http://www.rmgo.org/ccwguide/CCIC.shtml

    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2003-ccic.shtml

    Q: Is my name entered into any kind of database if I am a Concealed Handgun Permit holder in the State of Colorado?
    A: Yes. If you possess a Concealed Handgun Permit from the State of Colorado, your name and other identifying information will be entered into the CCIC (CBI computer system). It will be accessible only by law enforcement and cannot be shared with anyone outside of law enforcement (i.e., the general public or the media). This database is not used for compilation purposes (facts, figures or lists); it is similar to how a driver’s license is entered into a State of Colorado database and is necessary for use in law enforcement situations.
    This is rather old info. El Paso County Sheriff Terry Makkita does not enter names anywhere, and there is no linkbetween DL info and this data base. As I said above, you can carry a loaded handgun in your car anywhere in Colorado, so what purpose is served by some cop knowing you have a CCW--passed background check, when some dirtbag doesn't and intends to shoot the first cop he sees? Where is the greater risk? To me, this is a non-issue.
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    Gunslinger wrote:
    cscitney87 wrote:
    http://www.rmgo.org/ccwguide/CCIC.shtml

    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2003-ccic.shtml

    Q: Is my name entered into any kind of database if I am a Concealed Handgun Permit holder in the State of Colorado?
    A: Yes. If you possess a Concealed Handgun Permit from the State of Colorado, your name and other identifying information will be entered into the CCIC (CBI computer system). It will be accessible only by law enforcement and cannot be shared with anyone outside of law enforcement (i.e., the general public or the media). This database is not used for compilation purposes (facts, figures or lists); it is similar to how a driver’s license is entered into a State of Colorado database and is necessary for use in law enforcement situations.
    This is rather old info. El Paso County Sheriff Terry Makkita does not enter names anywhere, and there is no linkbetween DL info and this data base. As I said above, you can carry a loaded handgun in your car anywhere in Colorado, so what purpose is served by some cop knowing you have a CCW--passed background check, when some dirtbag doesn't and intends to shoot the first cop he sees? Where is the greater risk? To me, this is a non-issue.
    A timely removal from the file means an immediate removal once the
    originating agency has documentation the fugitive has been arrested or is no
    longer wanted in Colorado. Timely system inquiry means initiation of the
    transaction before an officer begins writing an arrest or citation document of
    any kind
    ; storing inquiries when CCIC is down and submitting them at once
    when the system returns, regardless of whether the subject is still in custody;
    inquiry prior to the release of a person who has been incarcerated; and
    inquiry upon those who appear at a custodial facility to visit inmates before
    the visitor leaves the facility.
    Timeliness of entry/modification in the Missing Person File is the same as in
    the Wanted Person File.
    Timely entry/modification of vehicle, license plate, and vehicle part data
    matches the wanted person standard, less the extradition considerations.
    Entry should be made as soon as cross-checking with the Motor Vehicle
    Division files has been completed.


    Source: https://www.cjisportal.com/CO/resour...entwithppt.pdf

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    I. PURPOSE: To establish guidelines governing the access, use and security of the mobile data
    terminals used by personnel of the Sheriff’s Office.
    II. DEFINITIONS:
    CCIC/NCIC: Colorado Crime Information Center/National Crime Information Center.
    MDC: Mobile Data Computer.
    MIT: Manager of Information Technology.
    III. POLICY: It is the policy of the Sheriff’s Office to protect sensitive and personal information as is
    consistent with CCIC and NCIC regulations. Mobile display terminals are currently being
    implemented for use in patrol vehicles to provide field units with immediate access to the CCIC/NCIC

    system, as well as standard forms utilized by the Sheriff’s Office.

    http://shr.elpasoco.com/NR/rdonlyres...LICY080206.pdf

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    The following Sheriff Departments are entering concealed carry permit
    holders into CCIC. Included are the number of entries into that
    database from that department (if the number is very small, such as El
    Paso county, it means they are not entering permit holders into CCIC):

    Sheriff Offices

    SO Adams County 732 < Crappy
    SO Arapahoe County 146
    SO Archuleta County 151
    SO Boulder County 669 < Crappy
    SO Delta County 182
    SO Dolores County 27
    SO Eagle County 42
    SO Elbert County 18
    SO El Paso County 1 < Good news there
    SO Fremont County 103
    SO Gilpin County 34
    SO Gunnison County 77
    SO Hinsdale County 36
    SO Jefferson County 1460 < Crappy
    SO Kit Carson County 40
    SO Lake County 38
    SO La Plata County 666
    SO Larimer County 2425
    SO Lincoln County 5
    SO Logan County 54
    SO Mesa County 1085
    SO Moffat County 6
    SO Montezuma County 1
    SO Montrose County 389
    SO Otero County 32
    SO Ouray County 11
    SO Pitkin County 27
    SO Rio Blanco County 100
    SO San Juan County 4
    SO Teller County 167
    SO Yuma County 22
    SO Broomfield 103



    Very old information here posted on a few websites around the net. Anyone find the current figures?

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    Patrol cars CERTAINLY do have unabridged access to CCIC as well as the National database.

    A FIRST AND LAST NAME is going to provide the information to query CCIC/NCIC.
    A state drivers license or ID is going to provide the information to query CCIC/NCIC.

    An officer running your name for warrants or running your name for literally anything will easily be able to furnish your CHP information.

    "A friend of mine said that cops pull you over differently based on your concealed carry status. He said that the cops were pulling him over for minor reasons with their guns drawn because they had him on a list of concealed carry people."

    Your license plate brings up First Name and Last Name of course; but the Driver of the vehicle is Not always the registered owner- and police obviously know this. Unless an officer is taking a guess; from a physical description in the system; he's not going to automatically assume the registered owner of the vehicle is Driving, is he? See? The information is readily available; but nobody knows the future- the officer won't know exactly who is the Driver until approach and validation at the window.




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    cscitney87 wrote:
    Gunslinger wrote:
    cscitney87 wrote:
    http://www.rmgo.org/ccwguide/CCIC.shtml

    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2003-ccic.shtml

    Q: Is my name entered into any kind of database if I am a Concealed Handgun Permit holder in the State of Colorado?
    A: Yes. If you possess a Concealed Handgun Permit from the State of Colorado, your name and other identifying information will be entered into the CCIC (CBI computer system). It will be accessible only by law enforcement and cannot be shared with anyone outside of law enforcement (i.e., the general public or the media). This database is not used for compilation purposes (facts, figures or lists); it is similar to how a driver’s license is entered into a State of Colorado database and is necessary for use in law enforcement situations.
    This is rather old info. El Paso County Sheriff Terry Makkita does not enter names anywhere, and there is no linkbetween DL info and this data base. As I said above, you can carry a loaded handgun in your car anywhere in Colorado, so what purpose is served by some cop knowing you have a CCW--passed background check, when some dirtbag doesn't and intends to shoot the first cop he sees? Where is the greater risk? To me, this is a non-issue.
    A timely removal from the file means an immediate removal once the
    originating agency has documentation the fugitive has been arrested or is no
    longer wanted in Colorado. Timely system inquiry means initiation of the
    transaction before an officer begins writing an arrest or citation document of
    any kind
    ; storing inquiries when CCIC is down and submitting them at once
    when the system returns, regardless of whether the subject is still in custody;
    inquiry prior to the release of a person who has been incarcerated; and
    inquiry upon those who appear at a custodial facility to visit inmates before
    the visitor leaves the facility.
    Timeliness of entry/modification in the Missing Person File is the same as in
    the Wanted Person File.
    Timely entry/modification of vehicle, license plate, and vehicle part data
    matches the wanted person standard, less the extradition considerations.
    Entry should be made as soon as cross-checking with the Motor Vehicle
    Division files has been completed.


    Source: https://www.cjisportal.com/CO/resour...entwithppt.pdf
    This is talking about arrests, not simple traffic stops. Cops check for wants and warrants, not CCW permits, routinely. No background check database exists when buying a handgun in Colorado. Once approved, the record is purged, I believe within 24-48 hours. Of course, individual Sheriffs vary as to CCW lists. El Paso does not maintain them for general usage. This from Makitta.
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    cscitney87 wrote:
    The following Sheriff Departments are entering concealed carry permit
    holders into CCIC. Included are the number of entries into that
    database from that department (if the number is very small, such as El
    Paso county, it means they are not entering permit holders into CCIC):

    Sheriff Offices

    SO Adams County 732 < Crappy
    SO Arapahoe County 146
    SO Archuleta County 151
    SO Boulder County 669 < Crappy
    SO Delta County 182
    SO Dolores County 27
    SO Eagle County 42
    SO Elbert County 18
    SO El Paso County 1 < Good news there
    SO Fremont County 103
    SO Gilpin County 34
    SO Gunnison County 77
    SO Hinsdale County 36
    SO Jefferson County 1460 < Crappy
    SO Kit Carson County 40
    SO Lake County 38
    SO La Plata County 666
    SO Larimer County 2425
    SO Lincoln County 5
    SO Logan County 54
    SO Mesa County 1085
    SO Moffat County 6
    SO Montezuma County 1
    SO Montrose County 389
    SO Otero County 32
    SO Ouray County 11
    SO Pitkin County 27
    SO Rio Blanco County 100
    SO San Juan County 4
    SO Teller County 167
    SO Yuma County 22
    SO Broomfield 103



    Very old information here posted on a few websites around the net. Anyone find the current figures?
    Good info, even if outdated.
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    Gunslinger wrote:
    cscitney87 wrote:
    Gunslinger wrote:
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    Gunslinger wrote:This is talking about arrests, not simple traffic stops. Cops check for wants and warrants, not CCW permits, routinely. Don't be naive; CHP information is on the same LITERALLY same computer screen as the Wants/Warrants/Missing/Runaway etc etc. It's the same CCIC/NCIC database- one convenient location Gunslinger wrote:No background check database exists when buying a handgun in Colorado. What is that supposed to mean? Nobody once inferred that. Gunslinger wrote:Once approved, the record is purged, I believe within 24-48 hours. Nobody said there was a list made of all the handgun purchases made..Gunslinger wrote:Of course, individual Sheriffs vary as to CCW lists. El Paso does not maintain them for general usage. This from Makitta. You are required to cite/source any legal information Once you make the determination to Counter my Sourced legal information. In other words; I have a document from Makita; with his signature; approving Patrol Cars having full unabridged access to CCIC/NCIC.

    I will await sources and cites and links.

    Edited: Again; please; don't post without Sources or Links or Cites when rebutting my Legally Sourced and Cited information. We are trying to help people not muddy the water is Hear-Say or Second/Third hand information.


    Gunslinger wrote:Of course, individual Sheriffs vary as to CCW lists. El Paso does not maintain them for general usage. This from Makitta.

    In other words; Even if you specifically are not entered into a database;
    El Paso Law Enforcement will certainly have the ability to querying CCIC/NCIC from their patrol car computer; just like warrants/missing/wanted/etc. I am Jefferson County and will be in the database; so El Paso will be seeing my CHP status. Again regardless of whether or not you were put into the database; the issue remains that a database exists and is readily available via Patrol Car computer/department link.

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    Gunslinger wrote:
    As I said above, you can carry a loaded handgun in your car anywhere in Colorado, so what purpose is served by some cop knowing you have a CCW--passed background check, when some dirtbag doesn't and intends to shoot the first cop he sees? Where is the greater risk? To me, this is a non-issue.
    This makes more sense than anything else I have read in this thread. If a LEO is really more concerned about pulling someone over that has a CCW than some unknown suspect that may very well be carrying a gun along with a criminal record and 10 pounds of MJ then he might need to look at another line of work. The unknowns are what will get you. Besides all my vehicles are in my wife's name, not mine.

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    Weird, nationwide when I show one of my CHP/CCWs I usually don't even get a ticket.

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    I am a scanner enthusiast, I live in Lakewood and hear on a regular basis. quote " the RO of this vehicle holds a CCW can you send me a cover car"
    This disturbs me because law abiding citizens are treated as a threat to police officers. Now I am sure that if I am ever contacted by Lakewood PD and I am OC'ing that as soon as the Agent writes his/her report an ALERT will be put on my name that I open carry a firearm. So every time the License plates on my vehicles, address, and even phone numbers come up on Lakewood's MDTs or Dispatches computers that the officers will know and will be reminded by Dispatch that I carry a firearm.
    So I can confirm that if you carry a CCW Permit the police know as soon as they run your plate and you are the registered owner (RO) of the vehicle that you could be carrying a firearm they take their situational awareness up a few notches and you are treated as a threat to them.

    In closing I must drop a quote from Michael LeMieux
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    yotebuster223 wrote:
    I am a scanner enthusiast, I live in Lakewood and hear on a regular basis. quote " the RO of this vehicle holds a CCW can you send me a cover car"
    This disturbs me because law abiding citizens are treated as a threat to police officers. Now I am sure that if I am ever contacted by Lakewood PD and I am OC'ing that as soon as the Agent writes his/her report an ALERT will be put on my name that I open carry a firearm. So every time the License plates on my vehicles, address, and even phone numbers come up on Lakewood's MDTs or Dispatches computers that the officers will know and will be reminded by Dispatch that I carry a firearm.
    So I can confirm that if you carry a CCW Permit the police know as soon as they run your plate and you are the registered owner (RO) of the vehicle that you could be carrying a firearm they take their situational awareness up a few notches and you are treated as a threat to them.
    Thank you very much; this mirrors everything I believe about the situation. Officers CERTAINLY CAN and DO connect the dots; run the plate- read the physical description- run the name- Etc.

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