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    Governor Brewer has signed Constitutional Carry into law...

    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt...cc4c03286.html

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    Sweeeeet! :celebrate
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    Governor Brewer has signed Constitutional Carry into law...

    http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt...cc4c03286.html
    And the AZCDL made it all possible... (Join the AZCDL today)

    Today, April 16, 2010, Governor Brewer signed SB 1108, the AzCDL-requested Constitutional Carry bill, into law. Arizona now becomes the third state to not require written permission from the government for law-abiding citizens to exercise their right to bear arms discretely. Because Arizona is the first state in the U.S. with a large urban population to take this significant step, this is a watershed moment for the entire country.

    AzCDL has been working towards this moment since we formed 5 years ago. Constitutional Carry has always been one of our primary goals. Every success over the last 5 years has been pursued with today's historic occasion in mind. However, having a goal is meaningless without the support and activism of over 3,000 committed members. The citizens of Arizona, along with the citizens of other states that follow in our footsteps, owe YOU, the members of AzCDL, a debt of gratitude.

    If you don't have a permit, don't start carrying concealed just yet. The law won't become effective until 90 days after "Sine Die" when the Legislature officially adjourns. Since they are still working through a slew of bills, we don't expect Sine Die anytime soon. In past years, the effective date of bills has been around September.

    CCW permits still have a purpose. You'll need one to streamline gun purchases, to carry in states that honor Arizona permits and for carrying concealed in establishments that serve alcohol. And, the training you receive to obtain a permit is an added bonus. Along with restoring your right to bear arms, SB 1108 added additional training opportunities for obtaining a permit. NRA classes and training from places like Front Sight and Gunsite will be able to qualify as permit training.

    If you decide not to obtain a CCW permit, that doesn't mean you shouldn't train. The heaviest thing about wearing a firearm is the responsibility that comes with it. Take that money that you save on permit and renewal fees and spend it on quality training as often as you can. Lead by example – the world is watching.

    For the record, AzCDL contacted the other major candidates for Governor, Terry Goddard, Dean Martin, Buzz Mills, and John Munger, about whether they would have signed SB 1108. At this point Dean Martin, Buzz Mills, and John Munger have responded that they support the bill and would have signed it. We are still waiting to hear from Terry Goddard.

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    I was almost expecting her to let it pass the 5 day mark so she could claim some sort of neutrality on it, or to possibly even veto it at the last minute to appear to have given it 'good thought.' I'm glad I was wrong on both counts!

    This has been one hell of a year for Arizona gun rights, to say the least. As was stated in another thread, the USA is now up to 20% of its land mass allowing CC without a permission slip. This really could start turning the tides nationwide and is more of a national milestone than most people realize.

    I think we still have a battle ahead though as now ANY case that involves a gun is gonna be spotlighted, skewed, and bent in any way possible to make the entire gun crowd look bad and to try and take ourrights away again. Hopefully the good guys can set the record straight in any such instances.

    In any case, WOOHOOOOO!!!!!! I'll still keep my CCW permit active, but this is still a great day for AZ =)

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    Yeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! It's a done deal! TheBrady's will be doin' more flips than a headshot ground squirrel. I love it! God I love Arizona!

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    Thoreau wrote:I think we still have a battle ahead though as now ANY case that involves a gun is gonna be spotlighted, skewed, and bent in any way possible to make the entire gun crowd look bad and to try and take our*rights away again.
    Yes. Responsible Arizona gun owners will be in the spotlight for years to come.

    We'll be walking a straight narrow line as the rest of the nation watches.

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    Congratulations Arizonians! Trendsetting for the entire country no doubt.

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    This is freakin' HUGE!:celebrate:celebrate

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    Excellent!!!

    It would seem that all that's left is for a 10th Amendment full auto law to be passed.
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    There have been many times when I never would have believed we'd ever see such a massive restoration of rights.

    SonoraRebel's got it right, this is huge.

    Let's keep this momentum going.
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    I would hope that if anyone is not a member of AZCDL, they would join after this. They are the reason this happened.

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    Michigander wrote:
    Excellent!!!

    It would seem that all that's left is for a 10th Amendment full auto law to be passed.
    Done. Firearms made in AZ and kept in AZ will be exempt from federal regulation. Passed and signed. Will take effect same time as constitutional carry.

    The reasoning is that congress justified the NFA and 'machine gun' bans using an overly broad interpretation of the interstate commerce clause. The Firearms Freedom Act defines regulation of guns not involved in interstate commerce to be invalid.

    Now we just need an AZ manufacturer of full auto guns.

    Yes, I know the federal courts will back their buddies, but that just means we need the DPS to arrest BATFE agents for violating state law. Dump them off unarmed in Sonora and see how they fare.

    It's high time for another Bisbee Deportation!

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    I just want to say THANK YOU to AZCDL. You have SAVED LIVES!

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    well today im at 3weeks waitin on a crossbreed supertuck i can imagine the wait time for those who are just now gonna place orders,ha ha..

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    DustoneGT wrote:
    Done. Firearms made in AZ and kept in AZ will be exempt from federal regulation. Passed and signed. Will take effect same time as constitutional carry.

    The reasoning is that congress justified the NFA and 'machine gun' bans using an overly broad interpretation of the interstate commerce clause. The Firearms Freedom Act defines regulation of guns not involved in interstate commerce to be invalid.

    Now we just need an AZ manufacturer of full auto guns.

    Yes, I know the federal courts will back their buddies, but that just means we need the DPS to arrest BATFE agents for violating state law. Dump them off unarmed in Sonora and see how they fare.

    It's high time for another Bisbee Deportation!
    Read the law. It does nothing to exempt many if not most DD's, full auto's, and 1.50 caliber plus firearms.

    Believe me, I'm extremely excited, and cannot wait to move back when done with school and hopefully buy some unregistered NFA weapons. But there is still more to be done.
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    DustoneGT wrote:
    Now we just need an AZ manufacturer of full auto guns.
    I have a decade worth of requisite skills for that, but as another poster pointed out, the time has not yet arrived.

    Holy crap!

    This is amazing. While AK and NH always had it, this is the first state to rescind restrictions. And in a BIG way! This wasn't a little baby steps thing, holy crap!

    I'm leaving ASAP!

    I read so many iterations of the bill, I'm not entirely sure of some of the details. But CC w/o permit says most of what matters.
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    Now the question comes down to this: What will Arizonans do when Obama says no?



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    Now the question comes down to this: What will Arizonans do when Obama says no?

    I believe that by now not too many people care what obama says. I think that this is the first administration in a long time where the prez. is not the most powerful man in the world. He was a lame duck from the get go.

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    DEFENSOR wrote:
    protector84 wrote:
    Now the question comes down to this: What will Arizonans do when Obama says no?

    I believe that by now not too many people care what obama says. I think that this is the first administration in a long time where the prez. is not the most powerful man in the world. He was a lame duck from the get go.
    I thought the topic here was "open carry"? Does this always have to devolve into absurb political theater?

    1) The POTUS, whether you like him or not, is the most powerful man in the world. This one is flexing that power in ways the moron he followed never imagined possible.
    2) The current administration changed the National Park rules to follow state laws with regard to firearm regulations. Doesn't sound like a 'no' to me. Sounds like a states-rights type of move eh?
    3) If you want to discuss politics take it elsewhere unless it relates to firearms. Fair warning: you'll lose if all you can do is regurgitate sound bites.

    Sorry for ranting but I get sick and tired of those who value the 2nd amendment to assume the left side of the aisle isn't also armed. We're here, we won, get over it. Those of us on the left are also working very carefully and methodically to change the mindset of those on the left who can't seem to figure out that protecting rights is as valuable as extending rights to the disenfranchised AND that guns are not somehow automatically bad. Kinda like trying to convince tea-party idiots who shake their fists in anger over taxes despite the fact that under Obama taxes for 96% of American filing have dropped. Oh wait: it isn't like that because NO ONE on the political right is willing to slap down those morons.

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    EdB wrote:
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    protector84 wrote:
    Now the question comes down to this: What will Arizonans do when Obama says no?

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    ************* I believe that by now not too many people care what obama says. I think that this is the first administration in a long time where the prez. is not the most powerful man in the world.* He was a lame duck from the get go.
    I thought the topic here was "open carry"?* Does this always have to devolve into absurb political theater?

    1) The POTUS, whether you like him or not, is the most powerful man in the world.* This one is flexing that power in ways the moron he followed never imagined possible.
    2) The current administration changed the National Park rules to follow state laws with regard to firearm regulations.* Doesn't sound like a 'no' to me.* Sounds like a states-rights type of move eh?
    3) If you want to discuss politics take it elsewhere unless it relates to firearms.* Fair warning: you'll lose if all you can do is regurgitate sound bites.

    Sorry for ranting but I get sick and tired of those who value the 2nd amendment to assume the left side of the aisle isn't also armed.* We're here, we won, get over it.* Those of us on the left are also working very carefully and methodically to change the mindset of those on the left who can't seem to figure out that protecting rights is as valuable as extending rights to the disenfranchised AND that guns are not somehow automatically bad.* Kinda like trying to convince tea-party idiots who shake their fists in anger over taxes despite the fact that under Obama taxes for 96% of American filing have dropped.* Oh wait: it isn't like that because NO ONE on the political right is willing to slap down those morons.
    The president is not supposed to be the most powerful man in the world. Break out your constitution and read it. The limitations on executive power as well as limitations on federal power as a whole are right there in plain English. Presidents who exercise power the way he does (and Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., and most of the rest in the 20th Century) are criminals. I'm sorry, but I have no respect for criminals no matter how much they wrap themselves in the flag.

    National Park Carry only happened because they slipped it into a bill that was important to Obama for other reasons. Don't sit there and pretend he wanted it that way, that out of the goodness of his heart he gave us some great gift.

    Everything is politics. Open Carry is all about politics. We deal with politics every day in our lives, so why not here?

    Instead of making a lame attempt to stifle debate, why not join in and defend your ideas on their merits?

    I agree that Tea Partiers are pretty good at displaying ignorance, they are protesting future taxes based on current spending levels because they usually don't know that the government will just inflate their way out. Taxation and spending are no longer connected so directly with the monetary system and fractional reserve central banking that lacks a commodity anchor. But does that mean we should slap them down? They have just as much right to display ignorance as you do.

    Sure, 96% are paying lower taxes, but the value of their wages are being diluted by the Federal Reserve. The hidden tax of inflation grinds on the poor more than anybody else.

    The Tenth Amendment is the key to solving all of this. If that offends those who glory in executive federal power, so be it.

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    EdB wrote:
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    protector84 wrote:
    Now the question comes down to this: What will Arizonans do when Obama says no?

    I believe that by now not too many people care what obama says. I think that this is the first administration in a long time where the prez. is not the most powerful man in the world. He was a lame duck from the get go.
    I thought the topic here was "open carry"? Does this always have to devolve into absurb political theater?

    1) The POTUS, whether you like him or not, is the most powerful man in the world. This one is flexing that power in ways the moron he followed never imagined possible.
    2) The current administration changed the National Park rules to follow state laws with regard to firearm regulations. Doesn't sound like a 'no' to me. Sounds like a states-rights type of move eh?
    3) If you want to discuss politics take it elsewhere unless it relates to firearms. Fair warning: you'll lose if all you can do is regurgitate sound bites.

    Sorry for ranting but I get sick and tired of those who value the 2nd amendment to assume the left side of the aisle isn't also armed. We're here, we won, get over it. Those of us on the left are also working very carefully and methodically to change the mindset of those on the left who can't seem to figure out that protecting rights is as valuable as extending rights to the disenfranchised AND that guns are not somehow automatically bad. Kinda like trying to convince tea-party idiots who shake their fists in anger over taxes despite the fact that under Obama taxes for 96% of American filing have dropped. Oh wait: it isn't like that because NO ONE on the political right is willing to slap down those morons.
    Wow! Edb,

    I understand and agree that this is not the place for political discord. That is why Ikept it short.I apologise, thoughconsidering your criticism you sure made a lengthy response. Feel free to PM for some polite corespondence on the matter.

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    Actually, this is highly relevant. Since Obama believes he is king, what if Congress somehow rushes a bill through that bans gun carry without a permit in all 50 states? What if they try to use the federal government to override Arizona's gun laws? Don't think this can't happen. Personally, I don't think Arizonans would allow it to happen but the point is the same. States rights are very important when it comes to gun rights issues. An AP news article came out today saying that 80% don't trust the government. It is not like the health care bill passed because "we the people" wanted it. I have no doubt that certain Congressmen had to be bribed and threatened to get that bill passed. Brewer recently signed a bill rejecting the federal ATF's authority over firearms manufactured in Arizona that remain in the state. Sooner or later Uncle Sam is not going to be happy with Arizona's assertion of states rights against the monarchy that Obama has created in Washington.

    And no, the President is not the most powerful in the nation or the world. The most powerful in America is WE THE PEOPLE.



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    protector84 wrote:
    Sooner or later Uncle Sam is not going to be happy with Arizona's assertion of states rights against the monarchy that Obama has created in Washington.
    As much as I loathe the guy, this bit is false.

    The Fed Monarchy has been growing for decades, and all parties have done their part to grow it. Not one single politician has done anything to reduce it. The Partisan Conflict is a charade, like Professional Wrestling. A distraction for idiots who comprise the majority.
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    Michigander wrote:
    Excellent!!!

    It would seem that all that's left is for a 10th Amendment full auto law to be passed.
    Are you wanting to be able to have a full auto weapon? Don't get me wrong I love my guns and love to shoot them but I don't think regular citizens need full auto weapons.

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    Glock19Dude wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    Excellent!!!

    It would seem that all that's left is for a 10th Amendment full auto law to be passed.
    Are you wanting to be able to have a full auto weapon? Don't get me wrong I love my guns and love to shoot them but I don't think regular citizens need full auto weapons.
    Need is irrelevant.

    PS: There's no 'wanting' involved. It's already legal, albeit unreasonably and prohibitively expensive.

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