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    139th NRA Convention details



    North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, the Bojangles Coliseum, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check.


    If the organization is pro-gun, why would they hold the convention at this venue?


    I saw a couple of posts in the NC forum, but nothing in the political forum.

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    Phuck the NRA. They do much more harm than good, and it's not an accident.

    If the fight is won, how will they use that fight as an excuse to fleece their gullible members?

    Mike and John and I have had some words here and there, but they're still better than the NRA. I stick with the people who's actions show they deserve it, even if we don't see eye to eye.

    The NRA is complete sh!t.
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    3) Keep the profanity to a minimum - and then, after you find yourselves using it, go back after you have reflected and edit it out, especially those F-Bombs! Though this area of the web site is a bit of free speech area, the threads necessarily reflect upon the open carry movement as the press and general public do read our postings. Please go back and search your posts and edit out those F-bombs, thanks!

    I suspect that theymean PH-bombs, too.

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    eye95 wrote:
    3) Keep the profanity to a minimum - and then, after you find yourselves using it, go back after you have reflected and edit it out, especially those F-Bombs! Though this area of the web site is a bit of free speech area, the threads necessarily reflect upon the open carry movement as the press and general public do read our postings. Please go back and search your posts and edit out those F-bombs, thanks!

    I suspect that theymean PH-bombs, too.
    It is a minimum. I don't do it in every post, or every sentence. Not even close.

    Is this better?



    I'm expressing my profanity-justified-at-the-very-least-and-they-deserve-much-worse feelings and opinion of the NRA.

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    ixtow wrote:
    Phuck the NRA. They do much more harm than good, and it's not an accident.

    If the fight is won, how will they use that fight as an excuse to fleece their gullible members?

    Mike and John and I have had some words here and there, but they're still better than the NRA. I stick with the people who's actions show they deserve it, even if we don't see eye to eye.

    The NRA is complete sh!t.
    Aw, c'mon. NRA has done some good stuff for us. Here, chill andread this. You should feel better.



    STANDING GUARD
    By Wayne LaPierre


    May 2010

    What The NRA Does For You

    "What's the NRA done for me?"

    That question was recently posed by a young man at an airport. He recognized me and struck up a conversation about gun control. I asked him if he was an NRA member and he said, "No." That's when he hit me with, "What's NRA done for me?"

    As NRA members, we've all heard that question—especially from casual gun owners who enjoy the benefit of our success—and I guess your reaction is the same as mine: It's worth a thoughtful response.

    Before I answered, I wanted to know more about him—always a key to confronting a lack of knowledge or misconception.

    Did he believe in the Second Amendment? "You bet."

    Did he believe in the right to carry? "Absolutely. I have a permit." The right to armed self-defense? "Of course." Was he a collector? "Yes." Semi-automatics? "Everybody should own an AR."

    Was he a target shooter? He proudly corrected me. "A precision shooter."

    A hunter? "Yes."

    Just then he was called to board his plane. So I knew I had to answer that question in print for his benefit and for your use.

    First and foremost, he can thank the NRA for our 35 years supporting the superb scholarship and practical legal experience that led to the U.S. Supreme Court's June 2008 definitive ruling declaring the Second Amendment to protect an individual constitutional right. That case struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns and the ban on any armed self-defense in the home. It wouldn't have happened without the NRA. That goes for the case pending before the same court challenging Chicago's ban and demanding that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms apply to state and local governments.

    The NRA grassroots effort that re-elected President George W. Bush centered on the importance of his high court appointments. Without that total commitment, the court would surely have been dominated by Al Gore's and John Kerry's gun-ban appointees.

    Beyond the high court, in broad strokes, here's what the NRA has achieved for my airport inquisitor based on his interests:

    He exercises the right to carry and he can thank the NRA for his "shall-issue" permit. Since 1987, that right has been extended to 40 states with 36 states issuing permits to all qualified applicants.

    If this young man had carried or even possessed a firearm in a national park before Feb. 20, 2010, it would have been a crime. Thanks to the NRA and our friends in Congress, citizens can now possess and carry firearms in federal parklands in conformity with the laws of the state.

    As for today's array of handgun designs and models available to consumers, our friend can thank the NRA for defeating every national scheme to ban pistols and revolvers—from so-called concealable "Saturday Night Specials," to handguns with polymer frames, to semi-automatics capable of using "high capacity magazines," to handguns in small or large caliber, to handguns not possessing built-in "smart gun" technology.

    Then there is the question of ammunition. The NRA Institute for Legislative Action's first decisive victory in 1977 prevented the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission from outlawing handgun ammunition as a "hazardous substance" in the home.

    As to where a firearm can be used in lawful self-defense, the NRA has been responsible for Castle Doctrine laws enacted in 24 states, many replacing laws that required potential victims of violent crime to run away when confronted with deadly force outside their homes. We've already preserved the rights of employees in 12 states who wish to keep lawful firearms locked and properly stored in their vehicles.

    Among the citizen safeguards in the landmark 1986 McClure-Volkmer Act, known as the Firearms Owners' Protection Act, is a provision protecting gun owners traversing any state with properly stored firearms. Previous to that, gun owners traveling through states like New Jersey were subject to felony prosecution for illegal possession for transporting a gun in their vehicle.

    That law reformed the worst provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 and curbed massive abuse of power against gun owners, licensed dealers and collectors.

    That brings me to how my young inquirer obtains his firearms. From dealers? At gun shows? From other lawful individuals? Were it not for the NRA, all of those sources would have been closed down long ago.

    Through enactment of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act in 2005, Congress effectively slammed the door on scores of big city lawsuits designed to put federally licensed gun dealers and manufacturers out of business.

    We have held the line against Brady Campaign and Violence Policy Center legislation intended to close gun shows nationwide. As for criminalizing now-lawful intrastate sales between individuals—the goal of the Brady Campaign—we have blocked that one as well.

    As for the young man's ownership of an AR-15, the NRA was responsible for the sunset provisions of the onerous Clinton gun ban, and we used our collective might to make sure that worthless ban faded from law.

    "Precision shooter?" We have stopped bans on accurate rifles claimed to be "sniper rifles."

    There is more: we worked to arm airline pilots, an essential to protecting passengers.

    And he can thank the NRA for keeping the United Nations' gun-ban treaty at bay.

    Without the NRA, this young man would have no place to shoot or to hunt. Preserving and developing both has long been an aggressive NRA effort, as is our gun safety focus in training millions of gun owners and law enforcement officers.

    Anyone who asks that question— "What's NRA done for me" —owes a deep debt they can pay by joining our ranks.

    As NRA members, we share a sense of pride in what our members and dedicated staff have accomplished.

    To show unity and strength in answering new challenges to our rights, I urge you to attend the NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits in Charlotte, N.C., May 13-16, and to participate in our Celebration of American Values Freedom Weekend at this important moment in freedom's history.

    http://www.nrapublications.org/SG/index.asp


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    I stopped reading after the writer declared the NRA was responsible for Heller.

    Home of the Whopper....

    Oh, and who is the writer?

    Yeah.

    Shut up.
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    ixtow wrote:
    I stopped reading after the writer declared the NRA was responsible for Heller.

    Home of the Whopper....

    Oh, and who is the writer?

    Yeah.

    Shut up.
    What did you think about the work that NRA has done on Castle Doctrine laws, ix?

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    They are not responsible for Shall Issue in Va, the repeal of the National Park ban, or the repeal of the ban on cc in restaurants that serve alcohol in Va. I haven't seen them lobby the Va general assembly every year as the VCDL does.

    They seem to wait to get involved after some other 2A group does the grunt work and then step in to take the credit.

    And I don't see them standing up for open carry. They seem to be quite about the subject.

    While I am currently a member, I am considering letting my membership expire because they are having their meeting at an anti gun establishment.

    Would they give money to Sarah Brady Too?

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    Kimbercarrier is right about that. The nra was of no help whatsoever here in Virginia getting "shall issue" laws. They had the gall to chastise VCDL members saying "now is not the right time for this". Wayne just lied through his teeth. They were of little help in getting "shall issue" laws in other states too.



    Furthermore, the nra did not start the move to get carry in National Parks, the VCDL did. Wayne takes a lot of credit for the nra for things that they didn't do. He is a bald faced liar. In other states, like here in Virginia, local activists did the heavy lifting, the lobbying, the leg work and got the job done with little or no help at all from the nra. Wayne L is just a run of the mill oportunist, politician that lies with out blinking an eye in order to keep his paycheck coming in. The other members on the BOD are just like him.



    I have lost what respect I had for the nra (and wayne) a long time ago. This is just more of his propaganda to keep the $$$ coming in. The nra president and bod is so uppity and crass that they often don't even acknowledge the existence of other pro-gun organizations, and certainly are too conceited to ever say "thanks for you help and hard work".



    there's my two cents worth

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    HankT wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    I stopped reading after the writer declared the NRA was responsible for Heller.

    Home of the Whopper....

    Oh, and who is the writer?

    Yeah.

    Shut up.
    What did you think about the work that NRA has done on Castle Doctrine laws, ix?
    The NRA almost always holds up someone else's work as their own. Even if you could put the Calstle Feather in their Cap; it still doesn't exonerate them.

    How many rapists does a Cop have to arrest until he's allowed to rape someone?

    A little do-gooding doesn't buy you, or the NRA, a hundred scott-free do-bads.

    C'mon, LaPiere? Vintage French WWII Rifle, Never Fired, Dropped Once, Good Condition. One of many... I'm not saying it's cause and effect. Just an astonishing correlation.

    Oh, and I almost forgot. It was a nice tactic to try to narrow the debate to one topic, while the article that suggested many for which the NRA was NOT responsible was the actual matter. Had I been a preschooler, I might have fallen for it...
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    As I said in another topic, The NRA's biggest pittfall in regards to second amendment issues is they are in bed with too many politicians to be blunt & in your face about gun rights. They make themselves & all of the NRA membership look bad by trying to be top dog in a fight they really should not be all that involved with. LaPierre & the rest of its leadership need to refocus on what the NRA really is meant for & stay on the perifary of the gun control debate giving help to state & federal pro gun groups who dont need to worry over social graces.
    We need the NRA, they have done alot for gun owners since the 1870's in training & promoting shooting sports etc. But its time they/we recognized the limitations inherent in an organization like our NRA.

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    Leverdude wrote:
    As I said in another topic, The NRA's biggest pittfall in regards to second amendment issues is they are in bed with too many politicians to be blunt & in your face about gun rights. They make themselves & all of the NRA membership look bad by trying to be top dog in a fight they really should not be all that involved with. LaPierre & the rest of its leadership need to refocus on what the NRA really is meant for & stay on the perifary of the gun control debate giving help to state & federal pro gun groups who dont need to worry over social graces.

    We need the NRA, they have done alot for gun owners since the 1870's in training & promoting shooting sports etc. But its time they/we recognized the limitations inherent in an organization like our NRA.
    I admit to being blinded for my distaste of their behavior (to make an understatement) to recognize this matter.

    But there is even less tolerance in me for those who compromise and manipulate because they're tied up in politics, than those who do it for a buck.
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    i'd go just to play with the magnemometer. they shoulda held it at a starbucks!

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    139th NRA Convention details

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    North Carolina State law prohibits the carrying of firearms in the Charlotte Convention Center, the Bojangles Coliseum, and the Time Warner Cable Arena. In addition, the Rules and Regulations of the Charlotte Convention Center prohibit the carrying of firearms in the Center. Pursuant to Time Warner Cable Arena policy, all individuals entering the Arena will be subject to a magnetometer security check.
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    If the organization is pro-gun, why would they hold the convention at this venue?


    I saw a couple of posts in the NC forum, but nothing in the political forum.

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    Yeah, one hell of a compromise NRA.

    No where else to hold the Convention, in another state perhaps? Or did anyone consider that while the compromise was being made?

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    In the latest issue of America's First Freedom, Ted Nugent says you should definitely make a hue and cry about righting wrongs.

    He also says he's going to carry EVERYWHERE he goes.

    I'm writing him on this issue. Who else?
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    I don't think I have ever said this before, because I am a die hard "Texan", but you guys in Virginia sure have a fire lit under yalls butts when it comes to your firearm rights and freedoms! I always pictured Texas as one of the last states to fold if congress ever passed a "go collect the guns" law... but I now think that honor might just go to you guys in Virginia. I just wish we could get the same organization/die hard members here in Texas to push open carry through.

    I hope all of you in Virginia don't ever loose your steam. I am sure you all are an inspiration to more of us in other states then you know. I am not trying to kiss butt, just simply giving credit where credit is due.

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    Blinn79 wrote:
    I don't think I have ever said this before, because I am a die hard "Texan", but you guys in Virginia sure have a fire lit under yalls butts when it comes to your firearm rights and freedoms! I always pictured Texas as one of the last states to fold if congress ever passed a "go collect the guns" law... but I now think that honor might just go to you guys in Virginia. I just wish we could get the same organization/die hard members here in Texas to push open carry through.

    I hope all of you in Virginia don't ever loose your steam. I am sure you all are an inspiration to more of us in other states then you know. I am not trying to kiss butt, just simply giving credit where credit is due.
    We see DC and Maryland everyday as a reminder of what could be maybe??

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    Tess wrote:
    In the latest issue of America's First Freedom, Ted Nugent says you should definitely make a hue and cry about righting wrongs.

    He also says he's going to carry EVERYWHERE he goes.

    I'm writing him on this issue. Who else?
    I don't think Ted's really going to care that the common man can't carry at the convention!
    Ted won't be using the same entrance as you or I if we attended, so that no carry thing won't apply to him, he also has LEO credentials (Reserve Officer in TX) which will exempt him from the restrictions.

    I look forward to reading his reply to your letter/email.

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    On at least two occasions during the battle to get shall issue and statewide preemption passed in Utah, the NRA lobbyist rolled into town after we had a deal for good legislation made and screwed it up. Were it not for the NRA lobbyist, we would either not have, or have a much weaker state GFSZ law and we would also have a requirement that any business that prohibits firearms would be required to provide storage lockers.

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    rpyne wrote:
    any business that prohibits firearms would be required to provide storage lockers.
    Follow the money. Money is the ring in the NRA/GOP nose like a dumb ox to slaughter.

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    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    rpyne wrote:
    any business that prohibits firearms would be required to provide storage lockers.
    Follow the money. Money is the ring in the NRA/GOP nose like a dumb ox to slaughter.
    In these cases I mentioned, we had the legislation drafted, had the votes lined up for passage and had the governors commitment to sign when the NRA lobbyist came to town and told the legislature that the NRA wouldn't support it.

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    rpyne wrote:
    Master Doug Huffman wrote:
    rpyne wrote:
    any business that prohibits firearms would be required to provide storage lockers.
    Follow the money. Money is the ring in the NRA/GOP nose like a dumb ox to slaughter.
    In these cases I mentioned, we had the legislation drafted, had the votes lined up for passage and had the governors commitment to sign when the NRA lobbyist came to town and told the legislature that the NRA wouldn't support it.
    Yes. And then the 'storage box lobby' waved their thirty pieces of silver.

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