Who needs a gun in Australia?

[buster81]

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/co...0419-smxs.html

Couple held captive by gun-toting robbers

A man and woman were tied up for two hours while burglars ransacked their home in Melbourne's south-east early this morning, police say.

One of the men was armed with a gun and the other with a bar during the terrifying home invasion in Clayton South just after 5am.

Excerpt ... For more info see the link above

[Grapeshot]

Wonder why violent crime is on the increase there?

Yata hey

[saveyourself]

"Who needs a gun in Australia"? Every law abiding citizen me thinks! Just like any other country......

[McX]

i'll bet the criminals have guns.

[Nikki_Black]

Well, there goes my trip to visit Steve Irwin's gravesite.
If he was still alive, he'd be horrified at what the government is doing there.

[saveyourself]

I didn't know Steve Irwin was into freedom and all that! Good on him

[KansasKraut]

saveyourself wrote:

I didn't know Steve Irwin was into freedom and all that! Good on him

<<In Aussie accent>> "Crikey! Look at the size of that armed intruder!"

[Nikki_Black]

KansasKraut wrote:

saveyourself wrote:

I didn't know Steve Irwin was into freedom and all that! Good on him

<<In Aussie accent>> "Crikey! Look at the size of that armed intruder!"

Hahaha!
I'm gonna get 'im with my shotgun, mate.
*BANG*
What a liddle byooty!

(My best attempt at his accent)

(Posters note: I in no way endorse the shooting or maiming of anybody but BG's with guns that are threatening me and mine.)

[saveyourself]

Ha Ha I like it

[Old Grump]

Who needs a gun?

Every man woman and child not mentally defective or a criminal and has the strength, coordination and the ability to use a firearm wisely.

That goes for every nation on earth. A lot of people walking around with stumps instead of hands would not be handicapped today if they could have protected themselves. A lot of women would not have had to endure rape if they or their family would have had the means to defend them. 6,000,000 Jews and Gypsies wouldn't have been killed if they would have had the means to defend themselves.

Dammit, I told myself no ranting today, sorry bout that.

Grumpy old dinosaur

[Aaron1124]

Are there ANY parts of Australia that allows citizen firearm ownership?

[Old Grump]

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/aussiegc.html

Long read but it will be interesting if you really want to know the answer. They can have them but they have more restrictions than we do and they have to jump thorough more legal hoops than we do. The good thing is they have a nice little groundswell of support growing and a government now in power not as hostile to guns as previous administrations.

You should do the same research on English gun rights, they aren't forbidden just severely restricted. A lot of good people over there who are fed up with the situaion and instead of crying about it are trying to change things. It won't be fast or easy but I personally hope they can use the shooting games in the English Olympics as a good platform to base their arguments on that gun owners and shooters aren't evil outlaws are. Their rising crime rate in spite of disarming most of the public should reinforce their argument that citizens who have always had a right to defend themselves should be allowed the means to defend themselves with.

I watch Canada, England and Australia because their fight is our fight too.

Funny how almost all of my friends from there are shooters with only a couple of exceptions. I have to admit I may be biased on the subject as are my friends.

Click in here and see if the people on the other side of the big blue pond are any different than the people over here. Hard to slam a group if you meet and converse with them. Better yet join the site and get in on the fun, you might learn a bit and that is always fun.

http://www.armbritain.com/

[Grapeshot]

Haz. wrote:

Gun Control Australia in its publications and website makes assertions such as:

Failure of Duty by the Gun Lobby

The Gun Lobby, the NRA and the SSAA have consistently failed to come up with an effective policy for keeping firearms away from criminals. In advocating a "Right to Bear Arms", resulting in decreased controls on firearms, the NRA has negligently failed to provide a mechanism for controlling the access to guns by criminals

The very premise is flawed.

Guns are not the problem, criminals are. Ask how you can keep criminals away from weapons - any weapons. Well, gee whiz, you don't because they don't obey the laws.

From there it is just a short hop and a skip to "how do we keep criminals away from us?"

Answer: By having the means to defend ourselves

Now then the anti-freedom people are boxed into a corner and will start spouting about how they feel and what needs to be done based on their spun up "facts."

Anti-freedom groups are self-perpetuating with regard to gun control. They get laws passed and crime goes up - more laws passed and crime further escalates etc, etc.

A reasonable person with a two digit IQ can figure out that we were better before the controls than after. But that ignores the evidence/facts.

Yata hey

[Grapeshot]

Appreciate the updates Haz - these things seldom are covered by the press here.

They are good examples to be found of what happens in a defenseless society.

Notable was the reference to an off-duty policeman being badly beaten.

Yata hey

[groats]

This is so sad. How does it feel to be valued less than a slave in the deep south before the Civil War?

A slave owner would at least protect his 'investment'.
Your masters won't let you protect yourselves, and can't do it for you.

In addition, slaves sometimes owned firearms. Guess 'massa' was less afraid of his slaves than your masters are of ordinary law-abiding citizens.

[range rat]

Pest Control, Wouldn't the B.G.'s fall under that

[Grapeshot]

Haz. - You are single handedly supplying the evidence that only the honest citizens are disarmed/punished via self-defense restrictions in these examples.

Yata hey

[Haz.]

Check this threadout on the Liberal party web site. The comments are interesting.

Haz.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Issues/Com...-controls.aspx

[Grapeshot]

Haz. while i do not question your concern for the state of politics, freedoms/rights and the laws
in Australia - a great deal of it would seem to be beyond the scope of OCDO.

"NOTE: This is not a general discussion web site - even the thread for "general discussions"
must be fairly related to open carry,firearms and gun rights.

Please police your own posts before posting them and help keep OCDO strong and focussed.

If you think the post is questionable, please don't post it. Thanks!"

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum1/1.html

Yata hey

[Grapeshot]

Carry on sir, it is not my call in any event - was kind of thinking out loud.

I do appreciate you point and motivation.

Actually, I wish enough people would get the message and see to it that the laws were changed. Self-defense is an inalienable right.

Yata hey

[Haz.]

http://www.themercury.com.au/article...ofjustice.html

No jail for pregnant attack SALLY GLAETZER | August 20, 2010 12.29pm

A PREGNANT mother-of-three was bashed in her front yard by an angry parent, a court has heard.

[Haz.]

The government tells us that crime has decreased since the firearms ban. Well, not according to our bus drivers. Here are the facts, "There were 162 reported assaults on STA bus drivers in the 12 months to June, up nearly 15 per cent from the previous year."

Incident reports show drivers have been bashed, spat on and abused by angry passengers. Would bus drivers be bashed spat on and abused if the abusers knew the drivers were ARMED and able to defend themselves? Haz.
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http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225908361299

Bus drivers get self-defence classes
From: AAP August 22, 2010 3:45AM

[Haz.]

http://www.news.com.au/

Breaking news Two men dead in spate of shootings in Sydney and Katoomba
From: AAP August 23, 2010 7:23AM
TWO men are dead and two seriously wounded after three separate shootings in one day in New South Wales.

Two brothers were gunned down in front of their mother in a suburban street in Sydney's west.

[Haz.]

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225908689787

"In the last six months of 2009, there were more than 1400 assaults on police, including 367 serious attacks."

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Probably why police dont like attending callouts?

Policewoman bashed while sitting in car at Stafford on Brisbane's northside

[Haz.]

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1225908710345

Women charged after allegedly punching, burning babysitter with cigarette butt By Robyn Ironside From: The Courier-Mail August 23, 2010 8:41AM