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    Exclamation Help Fight AB1934

    UPDATE: WE WON! AB1934 has been defeated! Congratulations and thanks to all involved.

    And in a strange twist of fate, AB1934 has helped our cause immensely. It has given OC tremendous public exposure. It is now likely that every LEO in the state is now aware that UOC is something that they will see, and more importantly, that it is legal. Thank you Lori Saldana, for helping us spread the word!


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    Reasons to oppose AB1934 (aside from the obvious):

    If this bill becomes law it will prohibit the carry of unloaded handguns in most common areas of the National Forests and BLM lands where historically and currently firearms are welcomed. Language in the newly proposed PC section 12037 includes, "in any public place or on any public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated territory" and "prohibited area means any place where it is unlawful to discharge a weapon". This combined with NF, BLM, and other safety regulations about where shooting is allowed will ban carry in these areas. This will also ban the carry of handguns in all of California's National Parks, something which was only recently opened up via new Federal legislation.

    If this bill becomes law it will prohibit current lawful carry of firearms even on private property. The proposed PC 12037 bans carry in "public places" which will trigger legal definitions of "public place" on any private property that is open to public access.

    This bill’s striking of the clear definition of open carry in a belt holster from PC 12025 while adding the new open carry language in PC 12037 creates a condition where a person can be in violation of both concealed carry and open carry at the same time! PC 12025 only requires partial concealment, as ruled in People v Hale. But clear language in 12025 defines that handguns carried in belt holsters are not concealed. AB1394 removes this clear definition from 12025, and creates this muddled law where one can simultaneously be carrying openly and concealed.

    Given the recent Heller and McDonald Supreme Court rulings, if this bill passes, it will be unconstitutional on 2nd Amendment grounds, will immediately be challenged in court, and will cost the State of California money to defend it. Given the State’s current financial crisis, it would be extremely irresponsible to pass this bill.

    This bill is also a violation of the 1st Amendment. As pointed out by this bill’s author, unloaded open carry is often done as a form of political protest, to voice opposition to discriminatory concealed carry laws. Laws that restricts speech, even symbolic speech, have repeatedly been ruled as unconstitutional.
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    Done. Called and emailed.

    We have to get on top of this and stay on top of it and try to kill it EVERY TIME it comes up for a vote (now, Assembly Appropriations Cmte vote, Assembly floor vote, Senate Public Safety Cmte vote, Senate Appropriations Cmte vote, Senate floor vote, Governor's signature/veto). Unfortunately, this will probably take a LOT of time and effort to kill, assuming we can kill it.


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    Emailed during my lunch break this afternoon. Will be hitting it again shortly.
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    NA MALE SUBJ ON FOOT, LS NB 3 AGO HAD A HOLSTERED HANDGUN ON HIS RIGHT HIP. WAS NOT BRANDISHING THE WEAPON, BUT RP FOUND SUSPICIOUS.
    CL SUBJ IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW


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    BTT

    If you have not emailed or called, please do so now... And let us know you have, by posting your action in this thread.
    New to OPEN CARRY in California? Click and read this first...

    NA MALE SUBJ ON FOOT, LS NB 3 AGO HAD A HOLSTERED HANDGUN ON HIS RIGHT HIP. WAS NOT BRANDISHING THE WEAPON, BUT RP FOUND SUSPICIOUS.
    CL SUBJ IN COMPLIANCE WITH LAW


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    ConditionThree wrote:
    BTT

    If you have not emailed or called, please do so now... And let us know you have, by posting your action in this thread.
    Done last week

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    All done. Hope I'm not too late. Man oh man do I feel like a dork. I've been intently focused on some family medical concerns and have not been paying attention to 2A issues as closely as I normally would. This one got by me somehow. Even though I do not UOC, I would still like the option. AB1934 (and the path it can pave) scares the hell out of me.

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    AB 1934 passed through the Public Safety committee this morning with a 3 - 2 vote.

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    Just to clear up some miss information. It takes four (4) votes to pass out of committee. So the vote total was 4 - 2 in favor of the bill.

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    So where does it go now?

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    It now goes to the Assembly Appropriations Committee

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    Public Safety Committee votes:

    - Chair Assemblyman Tom Ammiano – AYE
    - Vice-Chair Assemblyman Curt Hagman – NO
    - Assemblyman Jim Beall, Jr. – AYE
    - Assemblyman Danny Gilmore – NO
    - Assemblyman Jerry Hill – AYE
    - Assemblyman Anthony Portantino – NOT VOTING
    - Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner – AYE



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    MudCamper wrote:
    - Chair Assemblyman Tom Ammiano – AYE
    I called Ammiano (I live in his district) and emailed everybody in the committee prior to the vote. Once again my representative fails to represent. Needless to say, I'll be supporting the other guy in November.

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    bigtoe416 wrote:
    MudCamper wrote:
    - Chair Assemblyman Tom Ammiano – AYE
    Needless to say, I'll be supporting the other guy in November.
    And who is that?

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    I understand it now moves to the Appropriations Committee next, but if it passes there what are the following steps it has to go through exactly?

    I did see Paladins 2nd post on this showing what I think answers this, is this correct?

    Does it have that far to go still?

    I'm making the calls to each members office tomorrow, I'm very concerned this may make it all the way. I can't see Arnold vetoing it.

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    marshaul wrote:
    So where does it go now?
    Pork Barrel?

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    On one hand Lori said "We don't want untrained people with guns on the street"

    On the other hand "A well trained gun owner can load in 2 seconds, and that's no good".

    I don't get it. (?)
    FREEDOM.

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    I just found this on the Missouri page. It's from one of Saldana's friends. The lady is holding a plastic baby.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rbZqD9y1qs
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    Ranchero wrote:
    On one hand Lori said "We don't want untrained people with guns on the street"

    On the other hand "A well trained gun owner can load in 2 seconds, and that's no good".

    I don't get it. (?)
    She's a fear mongering, control freakliar andprogressive socialist anti who will stop at nothing to deny youyour 2A rightsand gun ownership. To her guns are E V I L.

    Get it now?
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    Gundude wrote:
    I just found this on the Missouri page. It's from one of Saldana's friends. The lady is holding a plastic baby.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rbZqD9y1qs
    Wow, I made my first comment before even watching this video, and I was right...FEAR MONGERING at its best! And again you can't post comments, just like you'd expect from a control freak. This lady is a real loon, I mean really, she's a total loon.

    But you can leave a thumbs down don't like. Current vote was 0 like 19 dislike. Leave your vote if nothing else.
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    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Gundude wrote:
    I just found this on the Missouri page. It's from one of Saldana's friends. The lady is holding a plastic baby.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rbZqD9y1qs
    Wow, I made my first comment before even watching this video, and I was right...FEAR MONGERING at its best! And again you can't post comments, just like you'd expect from a control freak. This lady is a real loon, I mean really, she's a total loon.

    But you can leave a thumbs down don't like. Current vote was 0 like 19 dislike. Leave your vote if nothing else.
    I screen snipped the plastic baby.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.

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    I will be calling each of the members of the Appropriations Committee Monday.
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    OPS MARINE wrote:
    I will be calling each of the members of the Appropriations Committee Monday.
    I emailed the chairperson and suggested they hold this bill in committe till the McDonald case is decided, suggesting that it won't pass constitutional muster. Maybe they will listen to reason.
    A citizen may not be required to offer a ―good and substantial reason-- why he should be permitted to exercise his rights. The rights existence is all the reason he needs.

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    Gundude wrote:
    coolusername2007 wrote:
    Gundude wrote:
    I just found this on the Missouri page. It's from one of Saldana's friends. The lady is holding a plastic baby.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rbZqD9y1qs
    Wow, I made my first comment before even watching this video, and I was right...FEAR MONGERING at its best! And again you can't post comments, just like you'd expect from a control freak. This lady is a real loon, I mean really, she's a total loon.

    But you can leave a thumbs down don't like. Current vote was 0 like 19 dislike. Leave your vote if nothing else.
    I screen snipped the plastic baby.
    what a crock of BS. Any one can tell the difference between a BALOON and a gun going off.. Once again WHAT A CROCK. you are right... FEAR MONGERING. AND ya notice "no comments allowed" on the video. I bet EVERYONE would POO POO it. Call it a CROCK of BS

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    Deadly?

    Zero violence during any UOC meet in its so far short historyis hardly what i would call deadly.
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    A FEAR OF WEAPONS IS A SIGN OF RETARDED SEXUAL AND EMOTIONAL MATURITY - - Sigmund Freud

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