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Consider Rand Paul when you vote

Johnny Stiletto

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You lucky sons of...

Alright, alright. Who wants to trade a Rand Paul for a Herb Kohl?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Rand Paul for a Herb Kohl? I'll even throw in a Russ Feingold. Two Senators for one!
 

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I was at the victory party in Bowling Green. Sweet. Very festive.

The crowd was interesting. It was mostly grassroots volunteers from all over the state, with some of Rand's local friends, and a smattering of the GOP faithful who looked like rats fleeing a sinking ship. Actually, more like a sinking ship that's on fire, with secondary explosions, that's being strafed by a swarm of enemy fighters with no other target of opportunity, floating in a sea of landmines with three incoming torpedoes. The establishment Republican Party is all but gone. It's the old guy behind the curtain bellowing about the Great and Powerful Oz.

The media got it, for once. I guess it wasn't too subtle for them. There were seven trucks there sending out live feeds and numerous news outlets were recording video and audio for upload for the next day's news cycle, and they were all asking, "What does this landslide victory mean to the future of the Republican Party?" and "Why do you think the Republican Party leadership and heavy hitters endorsed Trey Grayson, yet Rand Paul won by such a large margin?"

This isn't your father's Republican Party.

The day before, a friend emailed and asked if I was going to the Republican Unity Party that Mitch McConnell is hosting in Frankfort on Saturday. I was there in the trenches with him when we were trying desperately to reform the Republican Party and not nominate Big Government, borrow-and-spend, amnesty-for-illegals, gun grabbers, and we were kicked to the curb and spit upon. I emailed him back and told him I'd be there with my message of party unity.

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What: 2010 Republican Unity Rally

When: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:30 AM

Where:
Mitch McConnell Building
105 West Third Street
Frankfort, KY 40602

Rand won the primary and we're having a Republican Unity Rally! It's gonna be a HUGE public rally, and you're gonna want to be there!
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This event is going to receive national attention. Let's show the country that we have a message that unites us all. Freedom is popular!

Rand shirts, Rand Fan buttons and stickers, LOTS of Rand signs, Randmobiles....

We the People come out in support of our candidate, soon to be Kentucky's next US senator!

Refreshments will be served.

This is your opportunity to come out in support of a true pro-2A candidate. We'll have extra signs, Rand Fan stickers, etc. All you need to do is show up!


This event is a couple of blocks down the hill from the Kentucky State Capitol, on the side opposite the Capitol Annex.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=105+West+Third+Street+40602&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=49.57764,81.826172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=105+W+3rd+St,+Frankfort,+Franklin,+Kentucky+40601&ll=38.193521,-84.874213&spn=0.011653,0.019977&z=16
 

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I knew someone would ask about open carry. :D

I didn't seen any gun buster signs when I was there a few months ago, and I was concealed carrying at the time. Others were too, and there were probably one or two openly carrying?

It's the Republican headquarters. Seems like a good strategy would be to open carry and see if anyone asks you not to carry there. I doubt they will, and my pickup truck will be nearby if anyone needs to lock up a pistol.

I know that in the crowd we're expecting, you won't be the only person carrying. :cool:

Besides, this is a unity rally. It's all about the unity. Big tent time! I doubt the Republican Party of Kentucky is going to go out of their way to alienate gun owners when they are reaching out to very pro-2A Rand Paul supporters.
 

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Thos.Jefferson wrote:
Did you OC at the victory party?
Nope. I did carry concealed, as I usually do. I think it probably would have been OK to open carry there. Certainly Rand and the campaign wouldn't object. The owners of the country club may have had some rules, but I certainly didn't see any gun buster signs, and I'm good at spotting them.

Mostly, I didn't want to turn the victory party into an open carry event. That might have even become a negative for Rand and the open carry movement. Just look at the trouble Rand is experiencing today for standing up for property rights and less government intervention. Big Government ninnies are constantly using fear and hate to polarize and confuse any liberty issue, as they attempt to portray the person standing up for liberty as the focal point of the fear and the promoter of the hate, even though it is they who are behind it. It's evil but it's effective.
 

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Yes Rand Paul! He will do away with all that intervenes with our private industry, like the FDA, EPA, and more!

Just think.. someone inspecting meats and food.. well that is on a Private Farm! I know I don't want anyone telling me what chemicals can be put in my meat. Lets bring back lead based paint! Remove safety standards on cars!

You are so short sighted to vote for a clown like him. This is in essence what he is saying. Abolish fire codes, building codes etc.. its my property after all.

How about people recognize the positives with government intervention, and reasonable limits. I think upholding the constitution that all men are created equal seems to be a positive law that has had a wonderful effect in recent history. You see it as someone telling you what to do. From time to time people need to be told what to do as they infringe on others rights. Trade offs do and need to exist.

Rand Paul is a fool who does not realize the aforementioned statement I just wrote. Vote well.
 

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PointofView wrote:
Yes Rand Paul! He will do away with all that intervenes with our private industry, like the FDA, EPA, and more!

Just think.. someone inspecting meats and food.. well that is on a Private Farm! I know I don't want anyone telling me what chemicals can be put in my meat. Lets bring back lead based paint! Remove safety standards on cars!

You are so short sighted to vote for a clown like him. This is in essence what he is saying. Abolish fire codes, building codes etc.. its my property after all.

How about people recognize the positives with government intervention, and reasonable limits. I think upholding the constitution that all men are created equal seems to be a positive law that has had a wonderful effect in recent history. You see it as someone telling you what to do. From time to time people need to be told what to do as they infringe on others rights. Trade offs do and need to exist.

Rand Paul is a fool who does not realize the aforementioned statement I just wrote. Vote well.
Go away TROLL, How about you worship the government in all of it's benevolence in Virginia and let usworship Liberty and limited government here inKentucky.
 

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When did Rand Paul say he was going to get rid of every single federal code? Rand Paul is a Constitutional/Jeffersonian Republican, not an anarchist.

Feel free to debate & critique the candidacy of Rand Paul, but at least be halfway intelligent about it. As far now, go back to your Big Brother in VA.
 

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Wow. Obvious troll is obvious.

Statists generally want it both ways. I guess the rare pro-2A statist doesn't want the government infringing on the right to keep and bear arms but is all in favor of the government trampling some forms of free speech, ignoring the rights of property owners, and anything else the government can be compelled to do to violate other's rights for his convenience or advantage.

The examples given were red herrings. The specific issue at hand is the one provision of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that used the force of government in an attempt to create government legislated and enforced morality on private property, and force people to associate with those they wouldn't voluntarily choose.

Like so many Big Government statist agendas, this is long on good intentions and short on practical understanding, and is thus destined to fail. The simple fact is, racial discrimination is almost always bad. It was bad when the government monopoly on force was used to enforce their Jim Crow laws, and it's just as bad when the government is using force to discriminate in the other direction. Call it whatever nice sounding euphemism you like, but it's still racial discrimination, and it's still wrong. One class of people is robbed of their money, opportunity and incentive, and another class is robbed of their self determination, self esteem and incentive. Only the government benefits by forced redistributions and institutionalized racism. The rest of us are forced to live in a world where we're divided along meaningless racial lines, as collectivists pit us against each other and foster resentments on both sides.

Society was well along the route to a free market solution that would have quickly ended racism, and the government couldn't stop that movement, so they used some jujitsu and flipped it around, using the inertia of the backlash to government sponsored and endorsed racism to create a different form of government sponsored racism.

Imagine our nation without federal government enforced racism. Do you think society itself would tolerate segregated lunch counters, drinking fountains, or public transportation? Heck no. Those changes were already under way. Let us vote with our dollars and those businesses would be out of business. We'd not only have blacks sitting in the front of the bus in protest, but we'd also have whites sitting in the back of the bus in protest. Racism is wrong, and almost all of society can agree on that if the government didn't butt in to keep us segregated and at odds.

Why is it OK for the government to force a private restaurant to serve blacks, but it's not OK for the government to force the NAACP to include a certain percentage of token whites? Why is the Miss Black America pageant OK, but the Miss White America pageant isn't? Who decides when racist discrimination is acceptable? You?

Just as our society accepts a lot of ugly hate speech to protect our right to free speech, we should accommodate a lot of ugly policies related to private property to protect the right of free association and property rights. We don't need to like it or condone it. In fact, free speech gives us the right to exercise our moral outrage AS INDIVIDUALS and speak out against racism. Having the government force their solution on us hides the racists, and stops the public debate that quickly educates everyone about ugly racism, leading to its demise.

I don't answer any race related questions on any government forms. It's none of the government's business how much melanin I have in my skin, and the question only serves to reinforce racism in America, no matter how the Big Government statists and collectivists like to spin it as somehow being a good thing.

Thank you Rand for spending some political capital to raise the public debate above the typical race baiting sound bites. We need to discuss the proper role of government. I agree that the government should end racial discrimination in everything it does, and the private sector should be free from the jack boot of government. The free market will fix any private sector problems VERY quickly once the government is out of the picture and is no longer preventing the free market from working.
 

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Well! This thread just got alot more interesting. *LOL* Rare to see a troll in here.

What do you use to hunt trolls with anyways? LMBO A Colt M4A1 or a Ruger Mini-14? LMBO:lol:
 

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I like what one of my favorite libertarian bloggers had to say:


Move on, there's nothing to see here folks.
Rand Paul won the Republican nomination for Senate in Kentucky. Yawn!

Rand Paul is like Daddy, a social conservative who pretends to be libertarian, especially when fund raising. Some foolish libertarians want to claim Paul is a libertarian. Michael Tomasky, a writer at the left-wing Guardian newspaper, headline a column "Rand Paul, not a libertarian." Tomasky is right. This reminds of the Fox News Commentator interviewing Bob Barr, who was also pretending to be a libertarian, who had to explain to Barr what libertarianism is and how Barr wasn't one, even if the morons that infest the Libertarian Party thought he was.

Tomasky warns that Rand Paul is a libertarian when on "safe ground," issues where Tea Party conservatives would agree, "But when need be, he's a religious conservative. A perfect amalgam of what the tea party movement is. But don't look for any consistency." In other words, the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

Tomasky notes Paul's positions on abortion and marriage equality, which mimic daddy's positions perfectly, or imperfectly from a libertarian viewpoint. One consistent pimp for conservatives in libertarian clothing tries to excuse Paul's view by saying he is merely against government involvement in marriage. Sure, that's the ticket. He's against state involvement in marriage right up to the moment he got his own marriage license. Both Daddy Paul and Little Paul have never had problems with marriage until gay people try to get married. While they have no such principles about straights getting married they do have them when gays marry.

Anyone who thinks that is principled ought to see me about a bridge I want to sell.

Political scientist Stephen Voss, of the University of Kentucky, described Paul fairly well: "When he's talking economics and money, he is philosophical a libertarian. When he talks social issues, he's sending guaranteeds tot he right wing that he's not libertarian."

In Rand Paul's view a woman who is raped, and becomes pregnant, must be forced by the state to carry that pregnancy to term. Even if her father rapes her she is a slave to the fetus. Even is the pregnancy may kill her she is forbidden by Big Brother from aborting. But Paul insists he wants to keep the state from intruding on people's private lives, ...except when he doesn't.

Remember that when Jerry Falwell's front group, Christian Voice, was rating the votes of congressman in view of fundamentalist morality, they gave Paul the Elder a score of 92%, almost perfect. That was after Daddy Paul voted to keep "sodomy" a criminal offense in Washington, D.C., something he excused by distorting the bill in question. Rand Paul has learned how to con libertarians almost as well as his father. But there are at least two differences, Rand Paul opposes earmarks, while Ron uses them and tries to justify them. And Rand is not good in foreign policy mattes, there his father is better.

That either of these men are better than many other candidates is a given. That doesn't say how good they are, just how bad the other choices are.


Here's another one:

Rand Paul and Ayn Rand: not peas from the same pod
 

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neuroblades wrote:
Well! This thread just got alot more interesting. *LOL* Rare to see a troll in here.

What do you use to hunt trolls with anyways? LMBO A Colt M4A1 or a Ruger Mini-14? LMBO:lol:
Personally, my delete key eliminates them just fine.

Just don't feed 'em and they wander away in search of sustenance.

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WOW! Where in the world did you find a nutcase like that? *LOL* Then again, if that troll was for California, I'm not surprised! *LOL* Thanks for posting and giving us all a good hearty chuckle here. *LMBO*:lol:
 

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Thank you Marshaul, for dropping by to educate Kentuckians about OUR senator. Hailing from San Francisco, we defer to you in such matters.

When Rand is asked about social conservative issues, he always states HIS PERSONAL BELIEFS, which resonate well with most socially conservative Kentuckians, which is a voting block that must be very foreign to someone from San Francisco. Note that Rand has never advocated that the federal government should intervene in social issues including abortion, gay marriage, etc. He always defers to individuals, or their states, and he isn't running for a state office so he wouldn't be responsible for any state legislation.

"Libertarian" and "conservative" are labels that have been so misused as to be almost meaningless now, but parts of either apply well to Rand Paul. What doesn't apply would be socialist, Big Government, liberal.... you know, all of the qualities that California is known to exhibit in abundance.

Is this Trolls Go For A Stroll week?

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you retire your rabidly anti-gun Senators, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, before lecturing us on our senate candidates?
 

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neuroblades wrote:
WOW!  Where in the world did you find a nutcase like that? *LOL*  Then again, if that troll was for California, I'm not surprised! *LOL*  Thanks for posting and giving us all a good hearty chuckle here. *LMBO*:lol:
Excuse me, but I am in no way to be affiliated with the person from Virginia who was A: already declared to be a troll before I made my post and B: making arguments which I would never make.

My post was hardly trolling, although it offered an somewhat less-enthusiastic view of Rand Paul (while still agreeing that he is better than the competition).

You can't wield your geographical bias against California this time. Have fun trying it with Virginia. :quirky
 

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Liberty4Ever wrote:
Here's a suggestion.  Why don't you retire your rabidly anti-gun Senators, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, before lecturing us on our senate candidates?
How do you suppose that conceding your guy is the best candidate, yet pointing out some inconsistencies with libertarian ethos (which it isn't even assumed you share), qualifies as "lecturing"?

How about "engaging in dialogue"? Is that not allowed? Must I be trolling, merely because my location is listed as "San Francisco" (as though that defines my person completely)? What if I grew up in Kentucky?

You do yourself no service with remarks like this.
 

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Liberty4Ever wrote:
Thank you Marshaul, for dropping by to educate Kentuckians about OUR senator. Hailing from San Francisco, we defer to you in such matters.

When Rand is asked about social conservative issues, he always states HIS PERSONAL BELIEFS, which resonate well with most socially conservative Kentuckians, which is a voting block that must be very foreign to someone from San Francisco. Note that Rand has never advocated that the federal government should intervene in social issues including abortion, gay marriage, etc. He always defers to individuals, or their states, and he isn't running for a state office so he wouldn't be responsible for any state legislation.

"Libertarian" and "conservative" are labels that have been so misused as to be almost meaningless now, but parts of either apply well to Rand Paul. What doesn't apply would be socialist, Big Government, liberal.... you know, all of the qualities that California is known to exhibit in abundance.

Is this Trolls Go For A Stroll week?

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you retire your rabidly anti-gun Senators, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, before lecturing us on our senate candidates?
Man!!! that is some funny stuff right there.
 

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Liberty4Ever wrote:
Thank you Marshaul, for dropping by to educate Kentuckians about OUR senator. Hailing from San Francisco, we defer to you in such matters.

When Rand is asked about social conservative issues, he always states HIS PERSONAL BELIEFS, which resonate well with most socially conservative Kentuckians, which is a voting block that must be very foreign to someone from San Francisco. Note that Rand has never advocated that the federal government should intervene in social issues including abortion, gay marriage, etc. He always defers to individuals, or their states, and he isn't running for a state office so he wouldn't be responsible for any state legislation.

"Libertarian" and "conservative" are labels that have been so misused as to be almost meaningless now, but parts of either apply well to Rand Paul. What doesn't apply would be socialist, Big Government, liberal.... you know, all of the qualities that California is known to exhibit in abundance.

Is this Trolls Go For A Stroll week?

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you retire your rabidly anti-gun Senators, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, before lecturing us on our senate candidates?
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marshaul wrote:
neuroblades wrote:
WOW! Where in the world did you find a nutcase like that? *LOL* Then again, if that troll was for California, I'm not surprised! *LOL* Thanks for posting and giving us all a good hearty chuckle here. *LMBO*:lol:
Excuse me, but I am in no way to be affiliated with the person from Virginia who was A: already declared to be a troll before I made my post and B: making arguments which I would never make.

My post was hardly trolling, although it offered an somewhat less-enthusiastic view of Rand Paul (while still agreeing that he is better than the competition).

You can't wield your geographical bias against California this time. Have fun trying it with Virginia. :quirky
Marshaul, I'm sorry if you took it that I was referring to you as the "troll", I wasn't. *LOL* I was talking about that other guy, whatever his name was, not you.
 
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