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    My latest article at Examiner.com.

    http://tinyurl.com/y3f9p46

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    Much to the surprise of many, President Obama’s first year in office has not featured a push for new gun control legislation. In fact, not only has he not pushed for new legislation, he has actively resisted calls by gun control groups while signing legislation allowing open and concealed carry in National Parks and Wildlife Refuges as well as allowing firearms on Amtrak trains.

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    You think maybe he has changed his agenda? - Not!

    Keep your eyes and ears open - the last chapter on his reign has yet to be written.

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    Agreed. I am certain that he is a diehard believer in gun control.

    BUT ... he is a very astute politician and he understands a lost cause when he sees it.

    It does my heart good to see Paul Helmke begging for someone to see him as still relevant.


    John

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    You think maybe he has changed his agenda? - Not!

    Keep your eyes and ears open - the last chapter on his reign has yet to be written.

    Yata hey

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    jpierce wrote:
    Agreed. I am certain that he is a diehard believer in gun control.

    BUT ... he is a very astute politician and he understands a lost cause when he sees it.

    It does my heart good to see Paul Helmke begging for someone to see him as still relevant.


    John

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    You think maybe he has changed his agenda? - Not!

    Keep your eyes and ears open - the last chapter on his reign has yet to be written.

    Yata hey
    Back when Hillary was running, I heard someone say that she might sometimes do the right thing, not out of principle, but out of pragmatism. It appears that Obama is the same way.

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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    oh get off it.

    There are plenty of valid reasons to dislike Obama, but don't try and pull @#$% out of the air to brand him with.

    He's an American.

    He might be, but his wife thinks his home country is Kenya (@ 0:45)??? Seems odd, no?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME



    Edit to add: For comedy value only.


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    I read a lot of Paul Helmke's articles over at the Huffingtonpost (I know, I'm a sucker for punishment...) and see the desperation in the anti-gun crowd these days.

    Just because we have not been bit, don't mean the shark ain't circling..

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    Bill to Close Gun Show Loophole H.R.2324 is still alive and well.

    It is loaded with problems and severe penalties.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

    SPREAD FAR AND WIDE:

    Mayor "I bought my last election" Bloomberg of New York is now pushing
    hard for Congress to destroy gun shows across the country.

    Just in case you think the threat isn't serious, here is what is in
    store for America if the Mayor gets his way in Congress:

    * Details of the sale, such as the type of gun, the SERIAL NUMBER,
    and any other information the Attorney General may want must be
    provided for guns sold by private sellers

    * Any person selling a gun, be it just walking around with a gun, or
    having purchased a table to sell a gun, must be registered with the
    gun show AT LEAST 30 DAYS BEFORE the show and the gun show must
    provide PERSONAL INFORMATION about each private seller to the Attorney
    General

    * Private sellers must show photo ID to the gun show operator and
    sign a log book with personal information

    * The feds will now have TRUE GUN REGISTRATION information in a
    database - GOODBYE FREEDOM

    * If you make a mistake in all of this, you can get up to FIVE YEARS
    in prison. The gun show operator also can be put in prison for
    paperwork mistakes

    * Gun show operators will have to register with the U.S. Attorney
    General

    * The Attorney General can make up regulations at will for
    controlling gun show operators

    * The Attorney General can charge a fee, no limit set, for a gun show
    operator license

    * Gun shows must get permission from the Attorney General 30 days in
    advance of any show to be able to have a show

    * All sales must go the the National Instant Check System

    A barrage of ads and commercials is starting immediately, attempting
    to push Congress to pass this legislation!

    The full bill can be seen here:

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2324:


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    JBURGII wrote:
    Just because we have not been bit, don't mean the shark ain't circling..
    No kidding. We will soon see a Supreme Court nominee......

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    Obama hasn't come after our guns yet because heIS very intelligent (a socialist, but very intelligent). Right now, he's busy taking over every key industry in the country. Once he's done that and taken control over everything financial, THEN he will come after the guns. Confiscating guns isa late step in the transformation (takeover)of a country -just look at Nazi Germany.They didn't make it illegal for the Jews to have gunsuntil 1938. Once disarmed,then they were able to exterminate them withnary ashot being fired. The disarmedJews simply marched into the gas chambers BY THE MILLIONS!

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    I can't vouch for how smart/unsmart he might be but he is an asute politician with astute advisors. He is also a lawyer who believes the constitutional is a living document to be negotiated and interpreted. I think he is going to to try to back door legislation with treaties and than try to make the argument that we have to follow these treaties over the constitution.
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    It is true that he is not going after the guns by way of domestic gun laws. He wants to be able to say that he is not pursuing such an agenda. What he is doing though is instructing Hilery Clinton to pursue this agenda by way of international treaty which bans "smal arms trade"

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    OCinColorado wrote:
    It is true that he is not going after the guns by way of domestic gun laws. He wants to be able to say that he is not pursuing such an agenda. What he is doing though is instructing Hilery Clinton to pursue this agenda by way of international treaty which bans "smal arms trade"
    The President has no chance of getting the required 67 votes on an antigun treaty in the senate.

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    The Donkey wrote:
    OCinColorado wrote:
    It is true that he is not going after the guns by way of domestic gun laws. He wants to be able to say that he is not pursuing such an agenda. What he is doing though is instructing Hilery Clinton to pursue this agenda by way of international treaty which bans "smal arms trade"
    The President has no chance of getting the required 67 votes on an antigun treaty in the senate.
    This is true, but when has such an obstacle stopped this USURPER from trying to get his way by any intimidating, underhanded, backdoor,corrupt means possible.

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    Well guys there IS some poetic justice to be had here. New York Mayor und Herr Reich Protektor of Virginia Bloomberg has his shorts in a twist and is mad as hell at Obama.

    It's all because Obama is going after Wall Street, where Bloomie makes that money he buys elections with.

    Thus the Commander In Chief has shown his adroitness in organiing the military formation known as the "circular firing squad".

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well guys there IS some poetic justice to be had here. New York Mayor und Herr Reich Protektor of Virginia Bloomberg has his shorts in a twist and is mad as hell at Obama.

    It's all because Obama is going after Wall Street, where Bloomie makes that money he buys elections with.

    Thus the Commander In Chief has shown his adroitness in organiing the military formation known as the "circular firing squad".
    Many circular formations have a jerk in the middle of them.

    Yata hey
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    IMO, Obama only signed the National Parks law because it was attached to other legislation in that same bill (a typical tactic used by both sides of the isle) that was much more important to him. Had it been a separate issue, he probably would NOT have signed it. His arrogance doesn't seem to be the kind that would have backed down if an anti-gun bill got as far as his desk to get hissignature...as he would likely consider that happeninga 'public mandate' to sign it. Like he probably feels his election was also a mandate from the people'for change.' [HUGE numbers of stupid people in America nowadays]

    So, he may be just biding his time to get anti-gun things done later on, especially if he wins a 2nd term (whichprobably WILL happen).

    Consequently, don't become naive, complacentor so desperately looking for the slightest 'pro-gun' signals from anyone from the Left -- media, politicians, police chiefs, so-called celebrities -- it ain't gonna happen...and they'd be LYING if they said otherwise. Always be highly skeptical of ANYthing they say if it seems a 'softening' of their anti-gun agendaor any 'conciliatory' words/gestures. We all know where they'recoming from so don't forget it...or let them forget it, either.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well guys there IS some poetic justice to be had here. New York Mayor und Herr Reich Protektor of Virginia Bloomberg has his shorts in a twist and is mad as hell at Obama.

    It's all because Obama is going after Wall Street, where Bloomie makes that money he buys elections with.

    Thus the Commander In Chief has shown his adroitness in organiing the military formation known as the "circular firing squad".
    It's an act. You do realize wallstreet wants this bill to pass, right?
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    simmonsjoe wrote:
    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Well guys there IS some poetic justice to be had here. New York Mayor und Herr Reich Protektor of Virginia Bloomberg has his shorts in a twist and is mad as hell at Obama.

    It's all because Obama is going after Wall Street, where Bloomie makes that money he buys elections with.

    Thus the Commander In Chief has shown his adroitness in organiing the military formation known as the "circular firing squad".
    It's an act. You do realize wallstreet wants this bill to pass, right?
    Like they want to pass kidney stones.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    While I must say it would be a comfort to find out that Obama was not a megalomaniacal socialist, but rather an ordinary white-collar criminal running an elaborate scam; I do not think this is the case. I don't think all of Wall Street "wants" Obama's plans for them to come true. Just maybe Goldman-Sachs (the supposed target), as I have heard something about all this being a smoke screeen for some big monkey-shines.

    Or maybe Obama is really just a common criminal at heart. Former Ill. Gov. Blagojevich wants to call Obama to testify under oath about his relationship with that Rezko guy. He may yet paint himself into Impeachment Corner.

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    If that man in the white house's administration tries to subvert the 2A by signing some bull$hit UN arms control treaty and claiming that the US must abide by it, I, for one, will laugh in his face.

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    Sounds good to me. Let's see how well he earns that peace prize if his treaties are the catalyst for the third revolution/second civil war.
    There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away, mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting. I've done the math enough to know the dangers of our second guessing. Doomed to crumble, unless we grow and strengthen our communication. -Tool, "Schism"

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    KansasKraut wrote:
    If that man in the white house's administration tries to subvert the 2A by signing some bull$hit UN arms control treaty and claiming that the US must abide by it, I, for one, will laugh in his face.
    He can sign all the treaties he wants - they are not effective until ratified by the Senate. That is one that I don't think would ever get out of committee.

    The people of this country will not IMO tolerate our Constitution being subverted by foreign interests to that extreme.

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    jpierce wrote:
    My latest article at Examiner.com.

    http://tinyurl.com/y3f9p46

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    Much to the surprise of many, President Obama’s first year in office has not featured a push for new gun control legislation. In fact, not only has he not pushed for new legislation, he has actively resisted calls by gun control groups while signing legislation allowing open and concealed carry in National Parks and Wildlife Refuges as well as allowing firearms on Amtrak trains.
    On the surface, it looks good, doesn't it? I don't buy it for a moment, and will list one reason why not. I am a veteran, married to a career soldier (over 17 years active, = reserve time). For guns owned by soldiers, the rule has always been that you do not have to register them on post unless taking them on post (including living there). Soldiers living off post have had no requirement to register their weapons. However, very early last year, for the first time ever, units all over the place (not just this post) were telling soldiers that ALL had to register their guns, even if they lived off post, and never carried the guns onto post. What changed? Obama took office. Well, my reaction, when my husband mentioned this, was simple. I told him he could tell his unit all the guns were mine, and my opinion on their demand was, "****you. Not exactly ladylike, I know, but I have little tolerance for people with no respect for the Constitution and our rights.

    In all honesty, I suspect the plan is to seem to allow more guns, thus encouraging people to carry, in the hopes that we "crazy gun people" will start some sort of problem, and he can then call for martial law to "restore order", and take all the guns at that time. When I see left wing sites encouraging people to crash tea parties, etc, and stir up trouble, seems even more likely.

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    JTHunter wrote:
    Don't count on "the Zero" to stay away from gun control.

    In one of the newslettersI get (National Assoc. For Gun Rights http://www.nationalgunrights.org)was information about H.R. 45, a new bill that would, among other things, ban private sales/transfers, set up a national database, require a written test, etc.
    H.R. 45 is NOT a new bill.

    Can't get excited about a bill created in January 2009 and has not even come out of committee. Don't think it has even been brought up for discussion.

    That is called dying a natural death.

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    LadyGreenEyes wrote:
    On the surface, it looks good, doesn't it?* I don't buy it for a moment, and will list one reason why not.* I am a veteran, married to a career soldier (over 17 years active, = reserve time).* For guns owned by soldiers, the rule has always been that you do not have to register them on post unless taking them on post (including living there).* Soldiers living off post have had no requirement to register their weapons.* However, very early last year, for the first time ever, units all over the place (not just this post) were telling soldiers that ALL had to register their guns, even if they lived off post, and never carried the guns onto post.* What changed?* Obama took office.* Well, my reaction, when my husband mentioned this, was simple.* I told him he could tell his unit all the guns were mine, and my opinion on their demand was, "****you.* Not exactly ladylike, I know, but I have little tolerance for people with no respect for the Constitution and our rights.* *
    Ma'am, I don't know what post you live on, but Fort Bragg's gun policy hasn't changed since 2004. It does not require the registering of firearms with the provost martial unless the firearm will be stored on post for more than seven days. Bragg soldiers who live on or off post and wish to purchase a firearm must receive a memo from their commander allowing them to do so which is the only restriction on soldiers who live off post. If your post is different that's due to your post commander's policy, not Army policy. Army policy has always been that weapon policies are determined by individual post commanders.

    Also, I can think of another event that has happened recently which would bring more restrictive gun control on posts, Maj Hasan, Fort Hood, thirteen dead, ring any bells? Not that I agree with it, but it's far more likely the change in your post's policy has to do with an actual mass shooting on an Army post by an Army officer than it does the election of Obama.

    As to the OP, I've commented on this before, and I agree it seems the dems are finally realizing gun control is a losing battle. The Brady Bunch could only get some 35,000 signatures for it's opposition against open carry in Starbucks, and we all know, democrats and republicans alike, the NRA could fart 35,000 signatures to oppose. Any representative who reads the comments on the Huffington Post articles will see the control advocates getting their butts kicked from pro-2A folk on the right and left. I don't care if the politicians believe in the 2A or not, just as long as they're afraid of doing anything other than supporting it.

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