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The Obama Administration Year One: The Flight from gun control

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KansasKraut wrote:
If that man in the white house's administration tries to subvert the 2A by signing some bull$hit UN arms control treaty and claiming that the US must abide by it, I, for one, will laugh in his face. :lol:
He can sign all the treaties he wants - they are not effective until ratified by the Senate. That is one that I don't think would ever get out of committee.

The people of this country will not IMO tolerate our Constitution being subverted by foreign interests to that extreme.

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jpierce wrote:
My latest article at Examiner.com.

http://tinyurl.com/y3f9p46

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Much to the surprise of many, President Obama’s first year in office has not featured a push for new gun control legislation. In fact, not only has he not pushed for new legislation, he has actively resisted calls by gun control groups while signing legislation allowing open and concealed carry in National Parks and Wildlife Refuges as well as allowing firearms on Amtrak trains.
On the surface, it looks good, doesn't it? I don't buy it for a moment, and will list one reason why not. I am a veteran, married to a career soldier (over 17 years active, = reserve time). For guns owned by soldiers, the rule has always been that you do not have to register them on post unless taking them on post (including living there). Soldiers living off post have had no requirement to register their weapons. However, very early last year, for the first time ever, units all over the place (not just this post) were telling soldiers that ALL had to register their guns, even if they lived off post, and never carried the guns onto post. What changed? Obama took office. Well, my reaction, when my husband mentioned this, was simple. I told him he could tell his unit all the guns were mine, and my opinion on their demand was, "****you. Not exactly ladylike, I know, but I have little tolerance for people with no respect for the Constitution and our rights.

In all honesty, I suspect the plan is to seem to allow more guns, thus encouraging people to carry, in the hopes that we "crazy gun people" will start some sort of problem, and he can then call for martial law to "restore order", and take all the guns at that time. When I see left wing sites encouraging people to crash tea parties, etc, and stir up trouble, seems even more likely.
 

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JTHunter wrote:
Don't count on "the Zero" to stay away from gun control.

In one of the newslettersI get (National Assoc. For Gun Rights http://www.nationalgunrights.org)was information about H.R. 45, a new bill that would, among other things, ban private sales/transfers, set up a national database, require a written test, etc.
H.R. 45 is NOT a new bill.

Can't get excited about a bill created in January 2009 and has not even come out of committee. Don't think it has even been brought up for discussion.

That is called dying a natural death.

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LadyGreenEyes wrote:
On the surface, it looks good, doesn't it?  I don't buy it for a moment, and will list one reason why not.  I am a veteran, married to a career soldier (over 17 years active, = reserve time).  For guns owned by soldiers, the rule has always been that you do not have to register them on post unless taking them on post (including living there).  Soldiers living off post have had no requirement to register their weapons.  However, very early last year, for the first time ever, units all over the place (not just this post) were telling soldiers that ALL had to register their guns, even if they lived off post, and never carried the guns onto post.  What changed?  Obama took office.  Well, my reaction, when my husband mentioned this, was simple.  I told him he could tell his unit all the guns were mine, and my opinion on their demand was, "****you.  Not exactly ladylike, I know, but I have little tolerance for people with no respect for the Constitution and our rights.   

Ma'am, I don't know what post you live on, but Fort Bragg's gun policy hasn't changed since 2004. It does not require the registering of firearms with the provost martial unless the firearm will be stored on post for more than seven days. Bragg soldiers who live on or off post and wish to purchase a firearm must receive a memo from their commander allowing them to do so which is the only restriction on soldiers who live off post. If your post is different that's due to your post commander's policy, not Army policy. Army policy has always been that weapon policies are determined by individual post commanders.

Also, I can think of another event that has happened recently which would bring more restrictive gun control on posts, Maj Hasan, Fort Hood, thirteen dead, ring any bells? Not that I agree with it, but it's far more likely the change in your post's policy has to do with an actual mass shooting on an Army post by an Army officer than it does the election of Obama.

As to the OP, I've commented on this before, and I agree it seems the dems are finally realizing gun control is a losing battle. The Brady Bunch could only get some 35,000 signatures for it's opposition against open carry in Starbucks, and we all know, democrats and republicans alike, the NRA could fart 35,000 signatures to oppose. Any representative who reads the comments on the Huffington Post articles will see the control advocates getting their butts kicked from pro-2A folk on the right and left. I don't care if the politicians believe in the 2A or not, just as long as they're afraid of doing anything other than supporting it.
 

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Nice to see everyone is keeping an eye on 'Obongo'. I do not believe for a nano-second that he would not ban every private citizen from owning a weapon if he thought he could get away with it. I do know that the only time he lies is when he opens his mouth!
 

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"...it seems the dems are finally realizing gun control is a losing battle." -- ABNinfantryman

Perhaps for now, but not for too much longer...they just need to be patient.

Changing demographics in this country -- mainly due to both illegalAND legal Hispanic immigration -- will change voting power in favor of the Democrats since most Hispanics vote Democrat (that's not really news though as it has been all over the TV news stations for a while now). Hispanics have even said this themselves, and theysay they WILL be making changes as well. Sorry to say, they're right if this trend continues since only apassing of time will bring it about...they need to do nothing more but wait. It's like the mosques we see in this country here and there: For now, their minarets remain silent, but when the Islamic population (another issue) grows enough, they will start blaring 5 times a day. For example, Berlin is the 2nd largest Turkish city.

I used to think all this would happen by 2050 or so (after I was dead), but lately, it's moving a lot faster than I imagined. And with the Republicans in disarray, Independents not winning elections very often, and a 3rd party not being able to challenge the traditional 2-party system we have here,the futuredoesn't look good for anyone but the Dems.

So if any gains for things like 'guns& immigration' are to be made, do it NOW...at least then in the future pro-gun/tough immigration laws will have to berepealed, which just might be a bit harder for them to do (MAYBE).Arizona has taken a step (but MORE is needed) in the right direction re: immgration but I wonder if it will stand up to all the loudmouth flag-waving protestors and their threatened lawsuits, Obama's 'Justice Department investigation' as well, or soon-to-come federal legislation nullifyingAZ lawor pre-empting other states (CA, NM and TX) from doing something similar. Andthe AZ law isn'teven in effect yet! If the courts legislate -- as they've been doing lately --maybe it never WILL be in effect.

And hopefully, there won't be an effort to change the Constitution itself -- ESPECIALLY that pesky 2nd Amendment -- but in time, as I said, there may be the votes to do even that. So don't underestimate the enemy or get complacent. OR overconfident.

Sorry, but I can't offer an optimistic prognosis for America (as we once knew it).

-- John D.
 

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cloudcroft wrote:
Changing demographics in this country -- mainly due to both illegal AND legal Hispanic immigration -- will change voting power in favor of the Democrats since most Hispanics vote Democrat

That depends where you are. Cubans tend to vote Republican due to their stance on Cuba. Democrats would have to wait 20+ years for the hispanic vote to be on their side. There are plenty of white democrats just as concerned about illegal immigration as there are Republicans. Hell even Arizona got 70% of it's population to support the new immigration bill.
 

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The Cuban 'Americans' (meaning they're not, they're Cubans) aren't staying...they have said as much. They'regoing back to Cuba when Castro is gone and they can return home. And 'home is where the heart is,' is it not?

Anyway, as for 20 years, I don't think it'll takeTHAT long...unfortunately. But if you ARE right, what then in 20 years?

About the National Guard over in the Sandbox: The only good thing I saw in that was they would have the opportunity to get some OJT combat training (nothing beats REAL getting-shot-at training)...but from what you have said about the NG over there, that's not happening. How unfortunate.

-- John D.
 

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ABNinfantryman wrote:
LadyGreenEyes wrote:
On the surface, it looks good, doesn't it? I don't buy it for a moment, and will list one reason why not. I am a veteran, married to a career soldier (over 17 years active, = reserve time). For guns owned by soldiers, the rule has always been that you do not have to register them on post unless taking them on post (including living there). Soldiers living off post have had no requirement to register their weapons. However, very early last year, for the first time ever, units all over the place (not just this post) were telling soldiers that ALL had to register their guns, even if they lived off post, and never carried the guns onto post. What changed? Obama took office. Well, my reaction, when my husband mentioned this, was simple. I told him he could tell his unit all the guns were mine, and my opinion on their demand was, "****you. Not exactly ladylike, I know, but I have little tolerance for people with no respect for the Constitution and our rights.

Ma'am, I don't know what post you live on, but Fort Bragg's gun policy hasn't changed since 2004. It does not require the registering of firearms with the provost martial unless the firearm will be stored on post for more than seven days. Bragg soldiers who live on or off post and wish to purchase a firearm must receive a memo from their commander allowing them to do so which is the only restriction on soldiers who live off post. If your post is different that's due to your post commander's policy, not Army policy. Army policy has always been that weapon policies are determined by individual post commanders.

Also, I can think of another event that has happened recently which would bring more restrictive gun control on posts, Maj Hasan, Fort Hood, thirteen dead, ring any bells? Not that I agree with it, but it's far more likely the change in your post's policy has to do with an actual mass shooting on an Army post by an Army officer than it does the election of Obama.

As to the OP, I've commented on this before, and I agree it seems the dems are finally realizing gun control is a losing battle. The Brady Bunch could only get some 35,000 signatures for it's opposition against open carry in Starbucks, and we all know, democrats and republicans alike, the NRA could fart 35,000 signatures to oppose. Any representative who reads the comments on the Huffington Post articles will see the control advocates getting their butts kicked from pro-2A folk on the right and left. I don't care if the politicians believe in the 2A or not, just as long as they're afraid of doing anything other than supporting it.
Yes, it is up to the command, and there is no actual new reg stating that all guns, even those off post, should be registered, however,t hat did not stop them from pressuring people to do it. I know it happened here, and also on other posts, which I heard about from people stationed at them. This was last Feb?Mar time frame, long before Hassan's terrorist attack. Logically, in light of that attack, allowing weapons on post would make more sense. If someone else in that building had been armed, they could have taken Hassan out and saved some lives. The ones committing crimes don't follow the rules anyway. k
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
While I must say it would be a comfort to find out that Obama was not a megalomaniacal socialist, but rather an ordinary white-collar criminal running an elaborate scam; I do not think this is the case. I don't think all of Wall Street "wants" Obama's plans for them to come true. Just maybe Goldman-Sachs (the supposed target), as I have heard something about all this being a smoke screeen for some big monkey-shines.

Or maybe Obama is really just a common criminal at heart. Former Ill. Gov. Blagojevich wants to call Obama to testify under oath about his relationship with that Rezko guy. He may yet paint himself into Impeachment Corner.
It's actually deeper than you think. "Crime Inc." is in the house!! Check out the link between the "Chicago Climate Exchange" and our "Dear Leader". I haven't done all the searching yet, but it gets "curiouser and curiouser"
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Ora...n-Joyce-Foundation-CCX-partners-to-fleece-USA
 

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KansasMustang wrote:
Alexcabbie wrote:
While I must say it would be a comfort to find out that Obama was not a megalomaniacal socialist, but rather an ordinary white-collar criminal running an elaborate scam; I do not think this is the case. I don't think all of Wall Street "wants" Obama's plans for them to come true. Just maybe Goldman-Sachs (the supposed target), as I have heard something about all this being a smoke screeen for some big monkey-shines.

Or maybe Obama is really just a common criminal at heart. Former Ill. Gov. Blagojevich wants to call Obama to testify under oath about his relationship with that Rezko guy. He may yet paint himself into Impeachment Corner.
It's actually deeper than you think. "Crime Inc." is in the house!! Check out the link between the "Chicago Climate Exchange" and our "Dear Leader". I haven't done all the searching yet, but it gets "curiouser and curiouser"
http://www.examiner.com/x-14143-Orange-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m4d27-Scandal-Obama-Gore-Goldman-Joyce-Foundation-CCX-partners-to-fleece-USA
666 posts Mustang?

Should we be concerned?
 

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Well now here's a corker if ever there was one: There is as you are doubtless aware a huge oil slick approaching New Orleans and the rest of Louisiana's waters. What is Obama doing? Yelling at BP to get on the stick. See, the narrative is "blame Big Oil for the disaster that's occurring".

It is about to blow up in his face like an exploding cigar.

Because you see, these Louisiana folks affected are the same ones who were told Bush was responsible for Katrina, and that the DemonRatz by God would have saved the day. Now they behold Obama impotently berating BP (Who are doing all they can - think they want all that oil to be wasted?) instead of working his Gummint Magic. The Ratz have trained these people to be dependent on the government. So well, in fact that they are blaming Obama for not doing anything to save the shrimp fishery, etc.

Not to mention lots of them have good-paying jobs on those offshore derricks, so if he even ACTS like he's gonna shut them down.....

First it was the gun stimulus. Now Obama seems poised to give the voodoo doll industry a boost. Obama as president is like if Dennis the Menace had commanded the Normandy Invasion on D-Day. Train wrecks are so much fun to watch...
 

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Alexcabbie wrote
...........................Obama as president is like if Dennis the Menace had commanded the Normandy Invasion on D-Day. Train wrecks are so much fun to watch...

:celebrateBwwaaaaaaaaaahaaaahaaaaa Hardy har har ho ho hee hee ha ha sniffle, Wow what a laugh!:celebrate

I LOVE IT!
 

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The timing isn't right. Major gun control legislation in Australia, Great Britain, etc took place after a major school shooting or other event. Rest assured, when one occurs Bloomberg, Pelosi, Obama and Reid will have a "fix" ready to push through.
 

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The timing isn't right. Major gun control legislation in Australia, Great Britain, etc took place after a major school shooting or other event. Rest assured, when one occurs Bloomberg, Pelosi, Obama and Reid will have a "fix" ready to push through.
Really? They've been milking the living hell out of VA Tech for - what is it, two years now? - and with a veto-proof majority to boot - and it has gotten them zip.
 

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Columbine and Va Tech would have been enough for them to go on right now, if that kind of thing resonated with anybody else but the Brady Bunch. They trot out lachrymose survivors and relatives from both events quite shamelessly and often, and just recently some guy tried to kill his instructor at Northern Va. Community College in Woodbridge.

Most people realize that, as Ted Nugent famously said, when you have coyotes killing the barn cats, de-clawing the cats is NOT the solution. It falls to us to keep reminding them of this truth.

Certainly, "they would if they could and they will if they can". But they can't and they won't if we watch them and vote.
 

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Ft. Hood was military, and it did result in the Dept of Defense changing policy for firearms possession on base.

Unfortunately, it was not to encourage it.

The Ft. Hood shootings didn't galvanize public opinion because they were adults and military. It will take another school shooting.
 
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